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11-06-2011, 10:55 PM
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I agree, and it's cool, I expected for some interesting commentary I just figured of all their forwards aside from Johanson, Umberger made the most sense. We should be pursuing trade options with teams like StL, Van, and Nsh...teams with fairly deep defensive groups/defensive prospects.
Agreed completely about Stl and Nsh... I also think Phoenix could make an interesting partner if they were open to structuring something around Yandle or OEL.

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11-07-2011, 01:16 AM
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Umberger isn't what we need. We already have 10 guys who are legit top 9 forwards and probably 8 of them are legit top 6 forwards so why in the hell do we want ot add ANTOHER top9/top6 forward???

As far as Nash is concerned, have have enough top end forward talent and don't need to be trading that much to add in a franchise player when we have guys like Giroux, JVR, Couturier, Schenn and Voracek to fill such roles.

Most teams would KILL to have our forward depth, there is no reason to trade for either Umby or Nash.

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11-07-2011, 04:46 AM
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Next season Umby will be making $4.6M ($3.75 his season) while Simmonds makes $1.75M both this and next season.

Nash is at $7.8M


Do we want to go into how these screw up he Flyers Cap worse than it already is?
Umberger is worth no more than 3.5M as a versatile two way foward imho. He would probably drop to 3rd line and PK duties in Philly, his point production would definitely drop also.

No way!

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11-07-2011, 11:52 PM
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Schenn+Bobrovsky for Yakupov...I can dream.

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11-07-2011, 11:57 PM
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Schenn+Bobrovsky for Yakupov...I can dream.
Is he really that good? This sounds like the Alexander Diagle trade again.

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11-08-2011, 07:00 AM
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Really? I am a big Umberger fan, but I think you are overvaluing him a ton.

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11-08-2011, 07:38 AM
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If we're going to acquire old Flyers, Upshallllllll...

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11-08-2011, 08:09 AM
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If we're going to acquire old Flyers, Upshallllllll...
How could we ever acquire him? He would require at least two firsts, an NHLer, and a top prospect.

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11-08-2011, 09:03 AM
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Bob for Jackets 2nd .

Sign Turco for rest of year. Gives us 1 mill in space and a high pick .

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11-08-2011, 09:04 AM
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Bob for Jackets 2nd .

Sign Turco for rest of year. Gives us 1 mill in space and a high pick .
Bob is worth more than a 2nd.

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11-08-2011, 09:18 AM
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I posted this over on the CBJ board, I watched a lot of them the passed few years while at school, and even went to the Flyers game last year at Nationwide Arena. Figure I'd post it here for our fans to comment on as well, perhaps I'm willing to give up far too much.


These may be the two worse proposals I have ever seen. Were you on some kind of medication when you posted this? By chance, what did the CBJ fans have to say? Did you see the game the other night when Rick and RJ forgot to show up?

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11-08-2011, 09:24 AM
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Bob is worth more than a 2nd.
By 2nd, in Columbus case, we are talking from 31-34ish area. I don;t think we could get a much higher pick considering Varlamov, a widely regarded better tender got a first which in all likelyhood will be mid round. The best I figure we could get is a late first rounder, but when you look at the teams who will likely finish in the later stages of the 1st round, who needs/wants a goalie, and who wants to give up that pick for him?

I don;t see many suitors.

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11-08-2011, 09:42 AM
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By 2nd, in Columbus case, we are talking from 31-34ish area. I don;t think we could get a much higher pick considering Varlamov, a widely regarded better tender got a first which in all likelyhood will be mid round. The best I figure we could get is a late first rounder, but when you look at the teams who will likely finish in the later stages of the 1st round, who needs/wants a goalie, and who wants to give up that pick for him?

I don;t see many suitors.
That was my thinking, maybe even see if they would take Superstar too, they loved him there.

Bob, Shelley for 2nd.

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11-08-2011, 09:56 AM
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Bob is worth more than a 2nd.
Varlamov has set the market but you have to considered that Bob is undrafted what makes it difficult to argue about potential with interested parties.

A 1st round pick OR high second rounder + prospect could be enough.
Depends on the market...

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11-08-2011, 03:10 PM
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Schenn for CLB 1st

Then Chicago wins the draft lottery

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what's with fans and wanting to re-acquire ex-flyers?
They're pissed they spent $125 on their jersey only to have them traded away.

Also why I get my jerseys blank.

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11-08-2011, 04:54 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Rick Nash is the most over rated winger in the game today? I keep hearing about how great he is, but for all his greatness, he really doesn't manage or inspire anyone around him to be better hockey players.

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11-08-2011, 05:05 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks Rick Nash is the most over rated winger in the game today? I keep hearing about how great he is, but for all his greatness, he really doesn't manage or inspire anyone around him to be better hockey players.
He's an NHLer on an AHL team. While that's hyperbole, he really doesn't have anybody to work with.

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11-08-2011, 10:58 PM
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He's an NHLer on an AHL team. While that's hyperbole, he really doesn't have anybody to work with.
Well, for most of Nash's career, he was playing w/ absolute crap @ center. Then he got Vermette, who admittedly isn't a #1C, but he also is much, much better than the trash Nash had before. And since getting Vermette to play w/, Nash's production has actually gone down.

There's absolutely nothing to say that Nash would be a PPG player or better if he is traded to a team w/ a #1C. It all depends on how much chemistry he has w/ his teammates. The Vermette thing proves this. His center got upgraded and his production went down. If a team trades for him, what's to say the same exact thing doesn't happen again?

Right now, Nash is by far the most overrated forward in the NHL. Mainly because fans spew this baseless stuff about his point totals easily increasing by 20 (or more) if he gets a better center and that's just not true. It could happen... or they could go down again.

In a trade, you have to value Nash based on what you know you're getting. And what you're getting is a guy who, at times, has quit out there and looks disinterested. A guy who has zero leadership ability and is better off playing second fiddle to others on your team. To pay the price CBJ fans seem to want for him would be ludicrous.

I'm not saying Nash is isn't an excellent forward. He's obviously an all-star. But I don't think he's a PPG player. I don't know if he'll ever score 40 goals again. And I wouldn't pay the ridiculous prices proposed on the main board for him... at least not before I see him play w/ Carter for a little while.

If all the theories about Nash just needing better teammates are true, then I expect him to be over a PPG w/ Carter on his line. It's time for Nash to prove it once and for all.

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11-08-2011, 11:09 PM
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The line with him and Carter was really good. Then Carter broke.

Nash definitely doesn't strike me as a fearless leader either...I'm just trying to say that I doubt anybody else could fare much better in his situation.

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11-08-2011, 11:51 PM
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The line with him and Carter was really good. Then Carter broke.

Nash definitely doesn't strike me as a fearless leader either...I'm just trying to say that I doubt anybody else could fare much better in his situation.
I believe Iginla has done so in CGY. Iginla is also a fearless leader and has never quit out there, despite being on some downright terrible teams.

As far as the Carter line goes, yes they did look pretty good together, but it was only for 5 games and even still, Nash "only" put up 5 points in those 5 games... exactly a PPG.

It remains to be seen if they can keep that up for an entire season. Personally, I doubt Nash's ability to be a PPG player again, even with Carter. And being that he is valued as highly or more highly than some players who are PPG types, I'd consider him overrated. But I guess we'll see as the season plays out.

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