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11-08-2011, 11:30 AM
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If you bring Lokitionov up now Manchester is toast, he is there Kopitar. Kings better get a prospect back for Stoll, Martinez, Penner that can play in the AHL...The Monarchs already lost Holloway, Moller and now Loki...?

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11-08-2011, 11:34 AM
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If you bring Lokitionov up now Manchester is toast, he is there Kopitar. Kings better get a prospect back for Stoll, Martinez, Penner that can play in the AHL...The Monarchs already lost Holloway, Moller and now Loki...?
Or you could look at it as a positive. In such cases, younger guys in Manchester need to step up. If anything, it forces guys to step up and play big roles which is a plus for the whole organization long-term.

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11-08-2011, 12:15 PM
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If you bring Lokitionov up now Manchester is toast, he is there Kopitar. Kings better get a prospect back for Stoll, Martinez, Penner that can play in the AHL...The Monarchs already lost Holloway, Moller and now Loki...?
No offense but that is Manchesters problem. They are the farm team for the Kings not the other way around. If it makes the Kings better than you do it. I too want Manchester to be a winning evironment for the kids but damn i'm tired of waiting for the Kings to win!!!

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11-08-2011, 12:27 PM
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No offense but that is Manchesters problem. They are the farm team for the Kings not the other way around. If it makes the Kings better than you do it. I too want Manchester to be a winning evironment for the kids but damn i'm tired of waiting for the Kings to win!!!
Agreed. The AHL is a development league. Just look at the efforts Andrews is going to make west coast teams happy so he doesn't have to worry about another circuit to compete with.

Manchester knew we'd come calling for the good players eventually. There is going to be rough seasons for any farm team, and if we call up Loki and Voynov permanently this year for whatever reason (injury, trade) then so be it. It's not like Manchester doesn't have good D and goalie prospects to work with, and it'd force guys like King and Kozun to step it up and produce like they did last year.

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11-08-2011, 12:32 PM
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If you bring Lokitionov up now Manchester is toast, he is there Kopitar. Kings better get a prospect back for Stoll, Martinez, Penner that can play in the AHL...The Monarchs already lost Holloway, Moller and now Loki...?
I understand what you are saying, but if the Kings don't have a player in the system to fill in as a center in Manchester, Hextall needs to go out and get an AHL vet to take over that role. It's part of his job.

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11-08-2011, 12:52 PM
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Penner, Stoll, Martinez, and a 2nd for Nash.

Call up Loktionov and Voynov...

Nash-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Richardson
Moreau-Lewis-Parse/Hunter/Westgarth

Mitchell-Doughty
Johnson-Voynov
Scuderi-Greene

Its nice to dream...

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11-08-2011, 01:04 PM
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Penner, Stoll, Martinez, and a 2nd for Nash.

Call up Loktionov and Voynov...

Nash-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Richardson
Moreau-Lewis-Parse/Hunter/Westgarth

Mitchell-Doughty
Johnson-Voynov
Scuderi-Greene

Its nice to dream...
With Murray as Coach it doesnt matter who you bring in wont make a differnce. I dont care we had Ovi from the caps, with this offensive system even he would struggle.

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11-08-2011, 01:05 PM
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I am hoping we don't get buffaloed on a multiplayer deal.

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11-08-2011, 01:13 PM
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Penner, Stoll, Martinez, and a 2nd for Nash.

Call up Loktionov and Voynov...

Nash-Kopitar-Williams
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Richardson
Moreau-Lewis-Parse/Hunter/Westgarth

Mitchell-Doughty
Johnson-Voynov
Scuderi-Greene

Its nice to dream...
(to preface, i know you said it's nice to dream, and i'm not picking on you i swear!) but would the jackets be willing to deal nash right now? i'd be inclined to say that they're a prime target for trading because of their terrible record, but what is it that they're actually looking for? i'd imagine they'd be looking for D and/or G, given that their GAA is worst and PK is third worst in the league. but they're also pretty far down on GFPG and PP, so would they be willing to give up nash right now?

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11-08-2011, 01:18 PM
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I am hoping we don't get buffaloed on a multiplayer deal.
Penner and Stoll to Buffalo for Boyes and ???

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11-08-2011, 02:05 PM
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With Murray as Coach it doesnt matter who you bring in wont make a differnce. I dont care we had Ovi from the caps, with this offensive system even he would struggle.
totally agree with you. we could have four lines of HOF scoring forwards and TMu would still be able to destroy their output

Luc-Lemieux-Bure
Hull-Gretzky-Richard
etc.....you get the drift

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11-08-2011, 04:28 PM
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I wonder how much of our farm we would have to give up to get Carter and Nash from Columbus...'cuz I'm figuring either they give up or not. If they give up Nash, they'll probably be willing to deal Carter too. We'd have to unload some serious salary too...although we're deep in the blue line, not sure if we can part with Mitchell.

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11-08-2011, 04:31 PM
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I wonder how much of our farm we would have to give up to get Carter and Nash from Columbus...'cuz I'm figuring either they give up or not. If they give up Nash, they'll probably be willing to deal Carter too. We'd have to unload some serious salary too...although we're deep in the blue line, not sure if we can part with Mitchell.

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About $14 million worth, give or take. And I doubt you get both and still keep both Richards and Kopitar. I don't think it's worth the cost.

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11-08-2011, 04:49 PM
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Changing players right now is going to make things worse. We are not even twenty games into an 82 game season.

We've already got four or five players who haven't played together under this coach, with these players, in this system, on this team. Why does everyone think it's so easy to just drop the "right" big name onto a line for magic results?

More than half the the Kings current problems are due to players who don't know each others tendencies. None of these guys are playing as a five man unit yet. Their offensive positioning, relative to each other and who is on the ice with them looks really confused right now. That's why we see so many bad passes and one shot attacks. We are only seeing a few minutes of solid attack or forecheck a game.

On the plus side, the D and Quick are looking very comfortable and working the system. They look excellent.

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11-08-2011, 05:14 PM
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Nash, Carter

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Penner, Stoll, Scuderi, Toffoli, Forbert, Muzzin, Hickey, 1st round picks...the farm, basically.



Nash-Kopitar-Carter
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Parse-Loktionov-Williams
Clifford-Lewis-Moreau/Richardson

Johnson-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene


The Richards line would outplay the other team's first line, the Loktionov line would be a solid third line of scoring, and the Kopitar line would destroy all in their way. Mitchell does well with Voynov...even Terry Murray couldn't stop Nash-Kopitar-Carter, Johnson-Doughty from scoring.

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11-08-2011, 05:24 PM
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Penner, Stoll, Scuderi, Toffoli, Forbert, Muzzin, Hickey, 1st round picks...the farm, basically.
Very bold. Very exciting.

You're going to be unhappy after Toffoli and Forbert start playing regularly in the NHL. But you might have a SC as consolation.

And we'd still have Lombardi to restock the system.

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11-08-2011, 06:44 PM
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Nash, Carter

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Penner, Stoll, Scuderi, Toffoli, Forbert, Muzzin, Hickey, 1st round picks...the farm, basically.



Nash-Kopitar-Carter
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Parse-Loktionov-Williams
Clifford-Lewis-Moreau/Richardson

Johnson-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene


The Richards line would outplay the other team's first line, the Loktionov line would be a solid third line of scoring, and the Kopitar line would destroy all in their way. Mitchell does well with Voynov...even Terry Murray couldn't stop Nash-Kopitar-Carter, Johnson-Doughty from scoring.
Put the pipe down please.

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11-08-2011, 07:09 PM
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I am hoping we don't get buffaloed on a multiplayer deal.
Bad time to be shipping impact players or searching for a different kind of leadership.

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Nash, Carter

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Penner, Stoll, Scuderi, Toffoli, Forbert, Muzzin, Hickey, 1st round picks...the farm, basically.



Nash-Kopitar-Carter
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Parse-Loktionov-Williams
Clifford-Lewis-Moreau/Richardson

Johnson-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene


The Richards line would outplay the other team's first line, the Loktionov line would be a solid third line of scoring, and the Kopitar line would destroy all in their way. Mitchell does well with Voynov...even Terry Murray couldn't stop Nash-Kopitar-Carter, Johnson-Doughty from scoring.
I hope you are joking.

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Put the pipe down please.
Did you see the Letestu trade by Columbus? That was the 1st domino.

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NHL12 rocks.
I KNOW RIGHT!? I did that trade on there AND they threw in a 2nd round pick. It HAS to work in real life.

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Nash, Carter

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Penner, Stoll, Scuderi, Toffoli, Forbert, Muzzin, Hickey, 1st round picks...the farm, basically.



Nash-Kopitar-Carter
Gagne-Richards-Brown
Parse-Loktionov-Williams
Clifford-Lewis-Moreau/Richardson

Johnson-Doughty
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene


The Richards line would outplay the other team's first line, the Loktionov line would be a solid third line of scoring, and the Kopitar line would destroy all in their way. Mitchell does well with Voynov...even Terry Murray couldn't stop Nash-Kopitar-Carter, Johnson-Doughty from scoring.
....dude GO SIT IN THE CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID.


PS: In my most recent BR posting I had 5 players who could be traded..

Penner
Stoll
Martinez
Bernier
Parse

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Trade Martinez for pick, Moreau waived.

Richards Kopitar Brown
Gagne Loktionov Williams
Penner Stoll Parse
Clifford Lewis Richardson
Hunter/Westgarth

Doughty Mitchell
Johnson Scuderi
Voynov Greene
Drewiske

Quick
Bernier

1) Richards setups up Kopitar for tons of goals, maybe vice versa at times (just plant Brown in front of the opposing net and DO NOT let him carry the puck through neutral ice, or into the attacking zone.)
2) Gagne Loktionov Williams seems like it'd be a fast skilled line, should all be able put pucks in the net.
3) This line has potential, pretty good skill, just don't put them out against the top lines. Maybe they form some chemistry, they are all off to a sluggish start.
4) Decent energy line, not very intimidating or physical, but could pop some pucks in...hell at this point they could get going and outscore the #3.

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Jarret Stoll drains any line of any offense, whatever line he is assigned to will be devoid of any creativity. The Kings also struggle to find any chemistry for Dustin Brown. He's had a rotating cast of centers who have yet to mesh well with his low hockey IQ.

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Jarret Stoll drains any line of any offense, whatever line he is assigned to will be devoid of any creativity. The Kings also struggle to find any chemistry for Dustin Brown. He's had a rotating cast of centers who have yet to mesh well with his low hockey IQ.
Yeah, Brown only averages 25 goals a season over the last 4 years. He is a real problem.

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