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11-08-2011, 04:45 PM
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Canada and the 2014 World Cup

I don't know anything about soccer, but was wondering what Canada's chances of making the world cup are. From my extremely uninformed point of view it looks like they have a good draw, and might have a chance. Right now they need to at least tie Saint Kitts and Nevis (who is over 20 ranking behind) in one of two games to advance to the next round. If they do make it to the next round they will not have to play the US, or Mexico, and will have to finish at least second in a group with Honduras, Cuba, and Panama. If they get passed that round a top 3 spot in a group with the remaining teams would qualify (which mean they don't have to beat the US or Mexico), and a 4th place spot would get in a playoff with the OFC champ, since Australia is not in OFC it is most likely that New Zealand will be that team, and they are over 20 spots higher than Canada in the rankings. So it seems to me that even though Canada would need to pull of some upsets, they would at least be plausible upsets (if I am not underestimating the Central American and Caribbean teams) and if they peaked at the right time they could advance. To me it seems like we have as good a draw we could ask for and have at least a plausible chance of making the world cup. Someone who knows soccer, please tell me if this is right or not.

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11-08-2011, 04:51 PM
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Canada is terrible and should not sniff the world cup. That is all. But neither of the countries they have to compete against are any good either.

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11-08-2011, 04:57 PM
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Canada is terrible and should not sniff the world cup. That is all. But neither of the countries they have to compete against are any good either.
That is the point I was trying to make, so does that mean it is plausible that Canada could qualify

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11-08-2011, 05:00 PM
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That is the point I was trying to make, so does that mean it is plausible that Canada could qualify
Sure, but I wouldn't bet on it, but they don't have super tough competition for the spot.

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Simple answer: Canada's odds of making it are terrible.

The final round of CONCACAF qualifying is a group of six with the top three going to Brazil and the fourth getting a playoff with a team from another association. Even if Canada manages to finish second in a group with Honduras, Cuba and Panama (unlikely), they aren't going to finish fourth in a group with the likes of USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and Jamaica.

So, don't book any hotels.

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11-08-2011, 05:23 PM
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they aren't going to finish fourth in a group with the likes of USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and Jamaica.
God, I wish we had groups with competition like that in Europe. Qualifying would be so easy.

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God, I wish we had groups with competition like that in Europe. Qualifying would be so easy.
The U.S. and Mexico basically have a guaranteed berth without doing anything...it's pretty nice.

At the same time, those countries are getting most of their quality competition again friendlies and not games that matter. You're not learning a whole lot about your team when you play so many games against the CONCACAF equivalents of Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands.

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The U.S. and Mexico basically have a guaranteed berth without doing anything...it's pretty nice.

At the same time, those countries are getting most of their quality competition again friendlies and not games that matter. You're not learning a whole lot about your team when you play so many games against the CONCACAF equivalents of Luxembourg and the Faroe Islands.
Well, if the world cup was set with the best countries in the world, it would basically be the European cup with a couple of teams from south america and maybe 1 or 2 from asia, possibly 1 from africa. There would be no teams from North/Middle america.

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Well, if the world cup was set with the best countries in the world, it would basically be the European cup with a couple of teams from south america and maybe 1 or 2 from asia, possibly 1 from africa. There would be no teams from North/Middle america.
There's better teams in Africa than Asia. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Egypt, Cameroon, Nigeria. Only really decent teams in the AFC are South Korea, Japan and Australia.

Canada got the best draw possible but even if they do make it to the fourth round there's hardly any chance that they even finish in the top four of the group, they're just that bad.

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11-08-2011, 06:41 PM
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There's better teams in Africa than Asia. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Egypt, Cameroon, Nigeria. Only really decent teams in the AFC are South Korea, Japan and Australia.

Canada got the best draw possible but even if they do make it to the fourth round there's hardly any chance that they even finish in the top four of the group, they're just that bad.
Take out Australia, and you got the 2 teams I was thinking about. Those 2 are better/even with the best African teams.

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Canada got an amazing draw. Best they could have hoped for. They should have a decent chance to make it to the final round of qualifying. Once there.... who knows.

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Simple answer: Canada's odds of making it are terrible.

The final round of CONCACAF qualifying is a group of six with the top three going to Brazil and the fourth getting a playoff with a team from another association. Even if Canada manages to finish second in a group with Honduras, Cuba and Panama (unlikely), they aren't going to finish fourth in a group with the likes of USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras and Jamaica.

So, don't book any hotels.
There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be competitive in that round of qualifying. This is coming from somebody who hates our program and thinks little of our team.


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Take out Australia, and you got the 2 teams I was thinking about. Those 2 are better/even with the best African teams.
I don't see how Japan and South Korea are better than Ivory Coast and Ghana.

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I don't see how Japan and South Korea are better than Ivory Coast and Ghana.
Watch them play, check the stats. Both talk in favour of Japan and South Korea.

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11-08-2011, 08:10 PM
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I think they have an outside chance and not "terrible" like others have said. Assuming they get through their current group then there is no reason why they can't get at least second place with Honduras, Panama and Cuba. Next stage would obviously be very tough but the teams in that group will hardly be world beaters.

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Watch them play, check the stats. Both talk in favour of Japan and South Korea.
What stats are you talking about? Ivory coast and Ghana have stronger squads.

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What stats are you talking about? Ivory coast and Ghana have stronger squads.
Worldcup sucess and so forth. Japan and South Korea are always 2 of the teams that impresses me the most, they play very quick football.

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There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be competitive in that round of qualifying. This is coming from somebody who hates our program and thinks little of our team.
Being competitive and advancing are two different things.

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God, I wish we had groups with competition like that in Europe. Qualifying would be so easy.
It is what it is. We have an easier road to the WC, but the Euro teams that get there arrive with way more experience against good competition. Like Big said, Euro teams play each other all the time in WC qualifying and UEFA. We have the Gold Cup?

I understand being jealous of the light schedule, but we're jealous of things like being able to watch high quality soccer on a regular basis.

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11-09-2011, 06:29 AM
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Are they hosting it? No? Thats the only way they have a significant shot at this stage. Otherwise they're not going.

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I wonder if they are even worse than Finland?

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I wonder if they are even worse than Finland?
100% yes, and it's not even close.

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It is what it is. We have an easier road to the WC, but the Euro teams that get there arrive with way more experience against good competition. Like Big said, Euro teams play each other all the time in WC qualifying and UEFA. We have the Gold Cup?

I understand being jealous of the light schedule, but we're jealous of things like being able to watch high quality soccer on a regular basis.
I don't think you should be, none of those teams would ever qualify playing in the european qualification. Instead you should be happy taking spots from better teams.

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If Canada could get their fence sitters to suit up, they'd be right up there.

They are better than people give them credit for, they just don't play enough together so hopefully this extra round help fixes that.

That being said, with the MLS acadamies starting to churn out more and more players over the next few years, the MNT should improve as long as the players don't jump ship to other countries of course.

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If Canada could get their fence sitters to suit up, they'd be right up there.

They are better than people give them credit for, they just don't play enough together so hopefully this extra round help fixes that.

That being said, with the MLS acadamies starting to churn out more and more players over the next few years, the MNT should improve as long as the players don't jump ship to other countries of course.
People say they are terrible, they are terrible, they should be nowhere close to the world cup. I'm not sure what your point is.

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People say they are terrible, they are terrible, they should be nowhere close to the world cup. I'm not sure what your point is.
Someone is a little sensitive.

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