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11-09-2011, 10:31 PM
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Even a trapping NHL game is more entertaining than anything soccer puts out.
True.

Also, it isn't up to the coach and the players to entertain anyone. This is a sport, they are paid to win games, not entertain the fans. They will do what they have to do to win. The only people in charge of keeping fans happy and treating things like a business are the guys in the marketing department and such. All the other guys main focus is to win a championship, by whatever means necessary. Entertaining the fans is the last order of business, because face it...you'll have more fans if you're a winner rather than a loser that plays an exciting brand of Hockey.

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You absolutely can't put the onus on the flyers, or any team holding the puck in their defensive zone.

If you force that team to advance the puck, it will make using the trap even more standard. Since the team is required to play into your trap, there's even less of a benefit of applying forechecking pressure.

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Looking for a pass is doing something.

So is playing to block the outlet passes when you are defending. rule 63.1 catches this and who ever has the possession is the one you catch on the delay of game.

Time for a shoot clock violation in NHL 15sec in your own zone of 1 or less enemy player in the same zone and the puck must move up and cross the blue line.

Timer is of course reset if attacker puts 2 players in the zone and also reset if pass crosses the blue line and goes back down into the defensive zone again.

Aiming that Lighting is at fault when they dont even have the puck is just outrageous since i am sure the tune had been a little bit different if lighting had a 1 goal lead 1 min left of the game and just end up sitting passing the puck in there own end.

noone here would defend that play if it had been done by the lightning in the last minute of a 1 goal lead game. And correctly so since it is delay of game aiming only to run the clock.

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Leave it to the Filthadelphia Flyers to CRY about a team's defensive strategy. Responsibility of moving the puck forward is on the puck controlling team, imo. Nice political statement on the ice. Flyer players should be embarrassed for listening to coach that would make an ass out of himself, and the sport, to protest "the trap". Absolutely classless and a slap in the face to the NHL fans.

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You know whats funny? Is that everyone has been going around for the last 4 hours and still the same thing is being said on both sides whether for or against that Philly or Tampa did. And yet it's just being repeated. And everyones still here

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Tampa Fans: Delay of game on Philly!

Philly Fans: Delay of game on Tampa!

NHL Fans: That was hilarious!

TV Analysts: That was embarrassing!

Devil Fans: Exciting!

NBA Fans: Hockey is a joke!

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11-09-2011, 10:32 PM
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What about the Bolts, who are not even trying to get the puck?
Why should they have to? This isn't "capture the flag". Tampa would much rather the puck be in Philly's end than in their own end.

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Tampa has nothing to lose by sitting in the neutral zone. Philly has lots to lose by sitting in their own zone with the puck.
Using your own logic here: Philly has nothing to lose by holding the puck in their own zone while TB watches from the NZ. Tampa has everything to lose because they don't have the puck.


See what I did there?

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Hilarious until they miss the playoffs by one point?
That would be even more hilarious, but given that it's the Flyers, I doubt that outcome is likely.


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Hilarious until they miss the playoffs by one point?
No we're happy to get a point considering all the PP Tampa had at the end of the third. If we look back to any game it'll be Winnipeg where we came back to take the lead just to loose in regulation.

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11-09-2011, 10:34 PM
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It's pretty obvious. For the Flyers, breaking out when Tampa sits back is not particularly good for the Flyers, which putting pressure on the Flyers is not particularly good for the Bolts. So you get the standoff instead.

As I said earlier, it's the prisoners dilemma. Neither team really wants to do nothing, but the first teat that changes its strategy is paying a price.

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TRAP HOCKEY IS NOT HOCKEY AND SHOULD BE AGAINST THE RULES. POST LOCKOUT WAS THE MOST EXCITING HOCKEY TO WATCH EVER. FAST SKATING, TALENTED SKILLED PLAYERS MOVING THE PUCK, HIGH SCORING GAMES. IF TAMPA WANTS TO PLAY BORING HOCKEY AND THE TRASHY TRAP THEN THE NHL SHOULD GO TO 4 ON 4 OR ENLARGE THE ICE TO OLYMPIC SIZE. SIMPLE AS THAT...

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Leave it to the Filthadelphia Flyers to CRY about a team's defensive strategy. Responsibility of moving the puck forward is on the puck controlling team, imo. Nice political statement on the ice. Flyer players should be embarrassed for listening to coach that would make an ass out of himself, and the sport, to protest "the trap". Absolutely classless and a slap in the face to the NHL fans.
Actually, judging from the posts, it sounds like the majority of fans on these boards with relative neutrality toward the Flyers/TB found the whole thing hilarious.

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11-09-2011, 10:36 PM
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So is playing to block the outlet passes when you are defending. rule 63.1 catches this and who ever has the possession is the one you catch on the delay of game.

Time for a shoot clock violation in NHL 15sec in your own zone of 1 or less enemy player in the same zone and the puck must move up and cross the blue line.

Timer is of course reset if attacker puts 2 players in the zone and also reset if pass crosses the blue line and goes back down into the defensive zone again.

Aiming that Lighting is at fault when they dont even have the puck is just outrageous since i am sure the tune had been a little bit different if lighting had a 1 goal lead 1 min left of the game and just end up sitting passing the puck in there own end.

noone here would defend that play if it had been done by the lightning in the last minute of a 1 goal lead game. And correctly so since it is delay of game aiming only to run the clock.
Is it really a big enough issue to require a shot clock? Is this happening in every game? The real reason everyone is making such a big deal out of what Philly did is because you rarely see it in hockey.

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While I agree that that is a part of defense, another purpose is to get the puck back from the other team, so that you can then be on offense. It can go either way.
Only if the puck is available. If you try to pursue a puck that you don't have a reasonable chance of getting (ie, the carrier sees you coming, has time, has an angle, and is a competent stick handler) then it's irresponsible to abandon your position and leave your team mates in a vulnerable position.

If the puck is available, or you have a reasonable chance of taking it from your opponent (they don't have time, they don't have space, they're being distracted/pressured, or an an unskilled puck carrier) then yeah, you try to take it. But you don't go after the puck if you don't think you have a shot of acquiring it. Same reason why you don't want your PK to chase the puck carrier.

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Using your own logic here: Philly has nothing to lose by holding the puck in their own zone while TB watches from the NZ. Tampa has everything to lose because they don't have the puck.

See what I did there?
There's more danger on Philly's end than in Tampa's end.

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Okay, Okay. The Flyers should force the issue. Not the 50-goal scorers, 100-point players Tampa has.
What does that have to do with anything? It could be 5 grandmothers on the ice for all I care.

Simply put: if the Flyers are allowed to stand in their own zone, the Lightning must also be allowed to stand in the neutral zone. If the Flyers don't have to force the issue, then neither do the Lightning. (and vice versa, if the Lightning don't have to force the issue, neither do the Flyers).

Both teams did the same thing. The Flyers felt by attacking they were too vulnerable to the counter attack. The Lightning felt by forechecking they would give up the neutral zone and ultimately the defensive zone to the Flyers. Neither team was willing to take that risk. So why are people trying to single out one team as being "at fault" or having the responsibility to prevent situations like tonight?

It just doesn't makes sense and reeks of bias for/against one team/system, and not objective analysis. And at worst, blatant hypocrisy.

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Why should they have to? This isn't "capture the flag". Tampa would much rather the puck be in Philly's end than in their own end.
And what's the point of what you just said? Philly rather keep possession of the puck rather than causing a turnover in the neutral zone.

If the Bolts much rather the puck to be in Philly's end than in their on end, the same logic applies for the Flyers. Both teams are at fault.

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There's more danger on Philly's end than in Tampa's end.
There's no danger if the opposing team never comes in your zone.

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I am a Bolts fan that found it hilarious...

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There's more danger on Philly's end than in Tampa's end.
Is Pronger going to shoot the puck in his own net?

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And what's the point of what you just said? Philly rather keep possession of the puck rather than causing a turnover in the neutral zone.

If the Bolts much rather the puck to be in Philly's end than in their on end, the same logic applies for the Flyers. Both teams are at fault.
Except no team is at fault. The Flyers have every right to do what they did. I'm just saying it's dumb strategy. Their strategy cost them the game tonight.

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I do not understand why some people seem determined that Philly should just move the puck up. They were employing a lure-esque strategy that forced Tampa to come to them, in lieu of attempting to break the 1-3-1, risk losing the puck and having to start all over again. There was nothing wrong with this approach, especially after they began passing the puck around. They wanted a clear break out, not have to battle through a web. What was ridiculous is how Tampa made absolutely no effort whatsoever to get the puck. Not so much because the trap sucks but given this was a home game and they were content to accept a wasted first period.

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Is Pronger going to shoot the puck in his own net?
Well a stray pass could happen.

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Using your own logic here: Philly has nothing to lose by holding the puck in their own zone while TB watches from the NZ. Tampa has everything to lose because they don't have the puck.


See what I did there?
That wasn't the point he was making.

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