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11-11-2011, 02:38 PM
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Could the Flyers ever retire #68?

Purely hypothetical question. Raymond Bourque played 94 regular season games with the Colorado Avalanche and won a Stanley Cup in his final game. He was a legendary player before going to Colorado. He had his number 77 retired by the Avalanche the following season.

Let me posit this question to you. If Jaromir Jagr plays moderately well for the Flyers this whole season and perhaps next season, would they ever consider retiring his number after he hangs up the skates? I think it's an interesting question because he is undoubtedly an NHL legend and as far as I'm concerned, no one will really try to wear 68 after he retires anyway.

Please don't flame me, I just want opinions.

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And yes, I understand it's still early. I was just thinking about it at work today and wanted to know how my fanbase felt.

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If he were to help us win the cup and win a Conn Smythe then it would be a good idea.

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why is this "speculation"?

and....seriously?

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If he were to help us win the cup and win a Conn Smythe then it would be a good idea.
I don't think that'd do it. Sure, if he does it two years in a row, MAYBE it'd get done.

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Uhm...what?

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I thought it was implied but I guess I should've written if he helps the Flyers win a cup

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Hmm. This is actually an interesting scenario. I feel like they wouldn't do it.

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How about we work on Mark Howe's number being retired first and them maybe talk about this?

Seriously though, the Flyers have been very frugal with their raising of number banners -- and even with installing players in the in-house FHof for that matter -- Jagr, even with a Cup or two in his Flyers tenure would have to walk on (unfrozen) water as I see it for THIS organization to retire his number. Some organizations are more free with their number retirements, Colorado in their briefer history (since 1995 move from QC) has as many as the Flyers... and all done after the Flyers last one.

Per Wiki (excluding #99)

19 Joe Sakic, C, 1995-09, number retired October 1, 2009 (the banner features the captain "C" to honor his 18 years as team captain with both the Avalanche and predecessor Nordiques).

21 Peter Forsberg, C, 1995-04, 2008, 2011, number retired October 8, 2011.

33 Patrick Roy, G, 1995–03, number retired October 28, 2003.

77 Ray Bourque, D, 1999–01, number retired November 24, 2001.


All great player, granted and worthy. Flyers also arguably worthy over that span have not had their numbers retired by the Organization... and it could be argued that not being on a Cup winning team may be a major factor.

If the Flyers win a Cup over the next few seasons do they retire numbers? Possible... is #68 one of them?... Personally I doubt it.

In the meantime... I move that they retire #2 to honor Mark Howe... even sans Cup win.

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And yes, I understand it's still early. I was just thinking about it at work today and wanted to know how my fanbase felt.
... And while we do love you, Hextall89, you have no fanbase as far as I'm aware.

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... And while we do love you, Hextall89, you have no fanbase as far as I'm aware.
Oh you!

But thanks for the civilized post. I am in no way saying they should. I was just watching a Ray Bourque highlight video at work and the question entered my mind.

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The important element is winning the Stanley Cup. A Flyers' retirement of #68 would never, should never, be considered no matter how well he plays in a year or two. Without a Cup, #68 doesn't get retired unless #2 for Mark Howe comes prior.

Edit: Just saw your additional remark. A Cup changes everything. If he is a primary contributor and skates off into a Hollywood sunset, then it would obviously be considered. But depends on circumstances.

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Anyone think Pronger gets his number retired if he wins a cup with us?

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Oh you!

But thanks for the civilized post. I am in no way saying they should. I was just watching a Ray Bourque highlight video at work and the question entered my mind.
I totally understand, and I believe you have raised and interesting and valid question when framed around the similarity with #77 with the Avs and #68 and the Flyers if a Cup is won during his time here... And Roy also adds to the debate.

Had Bernie never been a Flyer and came from Toronto in the trade and had his eye injury the season after the second Cup... would he have his number retired by the Flyers? Should he? I would think so.

I think we are all in agreement that a Cup is a must... And I personally would go as far as to say that if Howe does have his number retired even though he was not on a Cup winner, Jagr still would never get his retired after only two seasons... no matter how great... due to the lack of seasons here. Mark played most of his seasons with the Flyers, and his all best ones... and was a HHof player out of the Flyers... while Jagr earned his HHoF consideration prior to his brief stay here.

I hope they win the Cup so the debate can rage strong.

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Anyone think Pronger gets his number retired if he wins a cup with us?
I was thinking the same thing... IMO to captain a Cup is HUGE.

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I didn't even think of Pronger, I suppose that makes for an even better debate. Howe should have his jersey retired too.

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I understand what you're saying but it's completely different. Jagr has already won the cup twice with the Pens. Bourque on the other hand, helped the Avalanche en route to his ONLY cup. They retired his number because they were his last chance at the Cup.

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I understand what you're saying but it's completely different. Jagr has already won the cup twice with the Pens. Bourque on the other hand, helped the Avalanche en route to his ONLY cup. They retired his number because they were his last chance at the Cup.
With that thinking wouldn't it be more the team and less the player... personally though I would say that it was more a matter of how the player fit into the team and the other great players of that time on it.

I see the #77 retirement being a part and parcel of the Avs honoring the Cup team(s) as they retired various players from that team's numbers... Just as the Flyers did with their retiring #1, #7 and #16... #4 was an entirely different thing for the most part; even though he was a part of the first Cup the honoring was more based on the circumstances of his own forced retirement and situation... but he also does fit in with the others for the Cup status, but not the HHoF status which the others hold.

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Hmm. This is actually an interesting scenario.
No it's not.

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I say we do it anyways.
Piss pittsburgh off more.
Nothing wrong with that

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Nah, they wouldn't in philly.

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No it's not.
Oh come on, it's perfectly possible. All he has to do is win a Con Smythe and Cup with Philly and play 5 or so more seasons. It's not like he's old or anything.

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Bourque was never hated by the Avs fanbase.

Jagr was an arch enemy on TWO teams in our division, captaining both as well. IMO, the fact that his career was so disliked by our fanbase for so long means there is NO WAY he gets his number retired.

Pronger on the other hand...

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68 should be retired universe-wide, or at least throughout our solar system.

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