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11-07-2011, 03:50 PM
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I can't believe that people continue to use Afinogenov as an example of Ruff's apparent bad coaching. Afinogenov wasn't a good player and wasn't ever going to be a good player.
I'll have to disagree with you there. Afinogenov was a great player, but was basically the polar opposite to how Lindy wants his players to play. Couple that with Lindy's "my way or the highway" attitude, Max was in the doghouse quite often. Afinogenov was...passable defensively, but I don't think there's a more defense-first preaching and controlling coach than Ruff and Max was mainly offensive-oriented and wanted more leeway and creativity, in my uneducated opinion. He probably could have done better on a team not named the Atlanta Thrashers. I kinda wonder how he would do on a team like the Lightning with their offense oriented approach of play.

Of course, the biggest problem with Afinogenov was that he had the wheels, the passing, and the stickhandling, but couldn't finish. Also, he couldn't stay reliably healthy. But all that's a whole 'nother issue

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11-07-2011, 03:53 PM
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I'll have to disagree with you there. Afinogenov was a great player, but was basically the polar opposite to how Lindy wants his players to play.
Great players don't go unsigned as free agents and have to go to the KHL.

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11-07-2011, 04:06 PM
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Great players don't go unsigned as free agents and have to go to the KHL.
exactly .. Afinogenov is not and was not a GREAT player. Decent? Pretty good? At times an asset? Yes.

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11-07-2011, 04:20 PM
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exactly .. Afinogenov is not and was not a GREAT player. Decent? Pretty good? At times an asset? Yes.
like I said, he never was a great fit for the Sabres system and while he had lots of talent, his inability to finish consistently and well, hurt his image. "Would've been ah contenda" stuff.


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I'll have to disagree with you there. Afinogenov was a great player, but was basically the polar opposite to how Lindy wants his players to play. Couple that with Lindy's "my way or the highway" attitude, Max was in the doghouse quite often. Afinogenov was...passable defensively, but I don't think there's a more defense-first preaching and controlling coach than Ruff and Max was mainly offensive-oriented and wanted more leeway and creativity, in my uneducated opinion. He probably could have done better on a team not named the Atlanta Thrashers. I kinda wonder how he would do on a team like the Lightning with their offense oriented approach of play.

Of course, the biggest problem with Afinogenov was that he had the wheels, the passing, and the stickhandling, but couldn't finish. Also, he couldn't stay reliably healthy. But all that's a whole 'nother issue
Max's issues were always the overhandling of the puck in the key areas of the ice -- within 5' to either side of both bluelines -- that would lead to turnovers and chances against. He would use his speed and stickhandling to attempt to beat players in situations where a turnover would cost his team and THAT is what Ruff didn't like. One-man-showboating rather than making a simpler play to an open teammate and driving to open ice was a hallmark of Max's time in Buffalo -- when his wheels and wrist were healthy he got away with it more often than when the groin was wonky or the wrist recovering.

If the team falters, I have no issue with them looking for another coach. Expectations for the post-season would also be of interest -- are the owners looking for clear Cup contention with the current roster? If so, he could be in little trouble since they still seem to have some lineup issues they're going to have to iron out.

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11-13-2011, 03:53 AM
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Did tonight's events change anyone's mind??

Where was the guy who put out goons after Drury got cheap shotted?

This team acts like it's coach. All bark, no bite.

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11-13-2011, 04:23 AM
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Did tonight's events change anyone's mind??

Where was the guy who put out goons after Drury got cheap shotted?

This team acts like it's coach. All bark, no bite.
You know, I like Ruff. I think he's a great coach and any team would love to have him in some capacity.

I wouldn't mind if we changed things up though, obviously this is only one game and just dust in the wind. I wouldn't mind having a fresh perspective on things. I really wish we didn't move Dineen.

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11-13-2011, 06:14 AM
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I like Lindy but sometimes you just need to change something. He's been here forever...maybe it's time to go a different direction.

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11-13-2011, 09:00 AM
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doomed doomed......3 points out of first in the conference with a game in hand nuff said

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So a different coach = completely opposite response to Lucic on Miller?

This isn't a video game.

What would a new coach do? Disable the vagina-mode switch on each player before the warm-up skate?

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11-13-2011, 10:10 AM
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Did tonight's events change anyone's mind??

Where was the guy who put out goons after Drury got cheap shotted?

This team acts like it's coach. All bark, no bite.
In this pansy-age of the NHL that gets the coach thrown out of the game and suspended, so what good would that have done?

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11-13-2011, 12:37 PM
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So a different coach = completely opposite response to Lucic on Miller?

This isn't a video game.

What would a new coach do? Disable the vagina-mode switch on each player before the warm-up skate?
I like Ruff, but his team hasn't responded to this kind of thing ever since he was fined for sending his 4th liners out on Ottawa after Chris Neil's hit on Drury.

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11-13-2011, 12:47 PM
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http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sa...icle629953.ece

Expect the lynch mob mindset at TBN and WGR to go into overdrive on this...

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11-13-2011, 12:52 PM
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He realizes his team is the laughingstock of the NHL today. Not surprised.

A coach with no balls is a team with no balls.

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11-13-2011, 12:55 PM
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I really dislike the lack of response from Ruff himself lastnight ..... he barely seemed angry.... And i dislike him apparently not getting after the players ...

I also dislike his handling of the Weber situation .... and some of the line combos...

But... I'm still in his corner.... We'll see after the season.

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he barely seemed angry
He hasn't been angry since the Ottawa brawl.

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11-13-2011, 01:04 PM
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I'm pretty much disgusted with this team. The difference between Muckler and Darcy are staggering to say the least. Think about the toughness of those 90's teams, and think about how soft we've become in the 2000's since Darcy took over as GM.

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11-13-2011, 02:00 PM
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So a different coach = completely opposite response to Lucic on Miller?

This isn't a video game.

What would a new coach do? Disable the vagina-mode switch on each player before the warm-up skate?
Dress a different type of lineup.


The lineup we have is due to decisions Ruff has made. We have one of the softest dmen in the league dressing every night (Grags) on the bottom pairing over a physical defensive dman (Weber). Thats because Ruff wants offensive puck moving dmen in the lineup to play an attacking up tempo offensive style. Even though we already have 4 other dmen that play that way.

I'm not saying Ruff needs to go. But when he decides to dress certain players over others its obvious what he values in players. So if posters want to get on him for a soft team, thats fair game.


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Expect the lynch mob mindset at TBN and WGR to go into overdrive on this...
The media (Sullivan in particular) can be dicks. But in this case, I think the fans feel the same way TBN and WGR do about this situation. So in essence, Ruff said **** the fans.

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The media (Sullivan in particular) can be dicks. But in this case, I think the fans feel the same way TBN and WGR do about this situation. So in essence, Ruff said **** the fans.
https://twitter.com/intent/user?scre...icle629953.ece

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Lindy's exact quote WAS, in fact, "[bleep] the media" when told Buffalo reporters were waiting for him.
Its hardly the same as saying it to the fans.

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Its hardly the same as saying it to the fans.


Good, why should lindy respect the media? the buffalo news printed article after article just trashing the organization.

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http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sa...icle629953.ece

Expect the lynch mob mindset at TBN and WGR to go into overdrive on this...
He has the same amount of accountability as his players. This response is why he's not fit to coach this team anymore. He ran and hid from the media just like they ran and hid from the Bruins after the Lucic hit. Get him out of here.

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He has the same amount of accountability as his players. This response is why he's not fit to coach this team anymore. He ran and hid from the media just like they ran and hid from the Bruins after the Lucic hit. Get him out of here.

Give me an example of where the media has helped a hockey coach do his job?

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Give me an example of where the media has helped a hockey coach do his job?
Part of his job is addressing the media. He's not OBLIGATED to do so of course, but his running and hiding is very reminiscent of how his team plays.

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Part of his job is addressing the media. He's not OBLIGATED to do so of course, but his running and hiding is very reminiscent of how his team plays.
I disagree with that...... theres really no need to address the media...

I know for me... I don't care what he or the players have to say... I'm sick of lip service .... Show me on the ice...don't tell me in the papers.

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