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11-06-2011, 12:17 AM
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Ray Ferraro vs. Ray Whitney

If Whitney retired today, who would have had the better career?

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11-06-2011, 12:28 AM
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1st thing that came to mind was these 2 little guys in a fight.

Seriously though, Whitney was a little more skilled but Ferraro had more grit and a better playoff record, especially off that one great year in 93.

I'd say "the little ball of hate" was a little bit better.

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11-06-2011, 12:39 AM
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Whitney...and he'd also have a better command of the English language.

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1st thing that came to mind was these 2 little guys in a fight.

Seriously though, Whitney was a little more skilled but Ferraro had more grit and a better playoff record, especially off that one great year in 93.

I'd say "the little ball of hate" was a little bit better.
I think that was Pat Verbeek and Ferraro was the big ball of hate, no?

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11-06-2011, 12:45 AM
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I think that was Pat Verbeek and Ferraro was the big ball of hate, no?
It could be my memory might be failing a bit with the White Russians this evening. not all of us are wine connoisseurs like Killion in Vancouver here.

you are absolutely correct thanks for the info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Verbeek

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This is a good one.

I'm gonna go with Whitney though. Ferraro was awful defensively; Whitney was marginally better there. He put up just a bit more offense for just a bit longer, and he was able to do it from the wing which makes him a hotter commodity.

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Whitney has definitly better career IMO.
On the other hand, to be honest, I would take Ferraro at his best during his peak.

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11-06-2011, 03:27 AM
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Whitney has definitely had a better career.

More points, more adjusted points. Has 5 seasons of 70+ adjusted points and 10 seasons of 60+ adjusted points to Ferraro's 3 of 70 and 5 of 60.

Whitney also won a Cup while Ferraro did not. They have incredibly similar playoff records otherwise - both poor playoff performers in general with one big season where they did deliver.

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11-09-2011, 08:50 AM
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Both had good careers but I'll give the slight edge to Ray Whitney. He was a more consistent player during his career.

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Ray Whitney very underrated guy and underrated career.

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Interesting....Chicken Parm vs. The Wizard

Ferraro's career highlights and accomplishments were certainly impressive: 13 goals in the '93 playoffs (second only to Gretzky), 400+ career regular season goals, etc.

However, what gives Whitney the edge, in my judgment, is the Stanley Cup ring.

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Pretty damn close, but I give the edge to Ferraro.

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11-13-2011, 01:38 PM
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can we add stumpy thomas to this conversation?

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Do you remember line Flatley - Ferraro - Thomas from about 1994 ?

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Ferraro wasn't the best skater, his defensive play was average at best, he was a decent playmaker and was the better pure shooter with a great release. Ferraro was by far the more physical of the two.

Whitney is a much better skater and playmaker, much better defensively but his shot is a little to be desired. More finesse than Ferraro.

Slight edge overall to Whitney imo.

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11-13-2011, 02:22 PM
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This is a tough one, but I'd go with Whitney.

Whitney never had the benefit of playing half a decade in the 80s that Ferraro did to help stats wise, instead Ferraro retired at the height of the dead puck era while The Wizard is still going. Still Whitney is more productive by a fair margin statistically. Ferraro was the better goal scorer, Whitney the better playmaker.

It could definitely be argued that Ferraro did more with less (anyone else remember how BAD those pre-Kovalchuk/Heatley Atlanta teams were?) And he was definitely the more physical of the two, which translated to better production in the playoffs. Both have one pretty good playoff year, and some decent years, but are mostly relative role players in the post season. Whitney's play in the SJ upset of that powerhouse Wings team and in Carolina's cup would actually lead to me giving him a bit of an edge in the post-season even if statistics dictate otherwise.

Whitney is the better of the two defensively, but if either was ever called "good" in that regard I'd want some of whatever it is that the person that called them that was smoking. They weren't black holes defensively though, I'd call either of them is competent in that regard with Whitney being "pretty decent" a good bit of the time, mostly as a result of being the better skater of the two.

All said, slim edge to Whitney. He has a cup and he's more productive. While he generally has had better teammates from the Dead Puck Era on, he also never had the benefit of playing in the 80s that Ferraro had so those two factors cancel out.

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This is a tough one, but I'd go with Whitney.

Whitney never had the benefit of playing half a decade in the 80s that Ferraro did to help stats wise, instead Ferraro retired at the height of the dead puck era while The Wizard is still going. Still Whitney is more productive by a fair margin statistically. Ferraro was the better goal scorer, Whitney the better playmaker.

It could definitely be argued that Ferraro did more with less (anyone else remember how BAD those pre-Kovalchuk/Heatley Atlanta teams were?) And he was definitely the more physical of the two, which translated to better production in the playoffs. Both have one pretty good playoff year, and some decent years, but are mostly relative role players in the post season. Whitney's play in the SJ upset of that powerhouse Wings team and in Carolina's cup would actually lead to me giving him a bit of an edge in the post-season even if statistics dictate otherwise.

Whitney is the better of the two defensively, but if either was ever called "good" in that regard I'd want some of whatever it is that the person that called them that was smoking. They weren't black holes defensively though, I'd call either of them is competent in that regard with Whitney being "pretty decent" a good bit of the time, mostly as a result of being the better skater of the two.

All said, slim edge to Whitney. He has a cup and he's more productive. While he generally has had better teammates from the Dead Puck Era on, he also never had the benefit of playing in the 80s that Ferraro had so those two factors cancel out.
Ferraro was the premier scorer on that team by default, so I wouldn't give him bonus credit for that season. If he was on an average team he would be playing on a second line (if he was lucky) at that stage in his career.

Whitney had a number of similar seasons.

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