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Tipsport Extraliga 2011/2012

Well, it´s finally here, the new season......now, it´s a betting league even in name .....Pálffy´s back for the year in Skalica.....and Šatan´s in Slovan, well at least for the first month...

Round 1 Results from yesterday
Žilina- Zvolen 1-4
Martin- Skalica 5-2
Trenčín- Banská Bystrica 3-1
Košice- Nitra 3-2
Slovan- Poprad 6-2

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Žilina 1026 :facepalm (just cancel hockey there already)
Martin 1575
Trenčín 4850
Košice 4762
Slovan 5281

Appearantly it´s possible to watch huste.tv outside of Slovakia now too, so if you by any chance have any interest in suffering through watching this league, you´re free to go....

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Žilina 1026 :facepalm (just cancel hockey there already)
Martin 1575
Its not so bad in compare to Martin... :-)

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Its not so bad in compare to Martin... :-)
Yeah, Martin´s real bad considering their past, where are these times?
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Košice´s disappointing as well considering it was the first game of the season, Slovan is about what I was expecting (though not that great either).

Trenčín was the only game that had good attendance, but for sad reasons, I hope they can keep it up though, if their team continues to play their hearts out as they did yesterday then they deserve such great atmosphere as yesterday´s game had.

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Zilina had always troubles with attendances. I remember, when the won the second division, in the second half the stadium was full. I was also a regular visitor there. And also at the begnnig of their Extraleague journey. THat was also great atmospehere.
But they struglle very fast and the ice hockey had and has a big rival in soccer.
Unfortunattley, the championship season i was not there. But i realy enjoyed it, and after the final game i was soooo drunk
Oh yeah, that was a time....

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Zilina had always troubles with attendances. I remember, when the won the second division, in the second half the stadium was full. I was also a regular visitor there. And also at the begnnig of their Extraleague journey. THat was also great atmospehere.
But they struglle very fast and the ice hockey had and has a big rival in soccer.
Unfortunattley, the championship season i was not there. But i realy enjoyed it, and after the final game i was soooo drunk
Oh yeah, that was a time....
I don´t really take the soccer argument, Žilina is the 4th biggest town in country with round 85 000 inhabitants and while their soccer team is currently much better than their hockey team and they have a nice stadium the most recent home league game the attendance was around 2000. can´t really say that it is much of a competition to hockey in the town....

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Quite a dominant performance today from Zigo Palffy. But in a way that is a little disturbing. I noticed his deterioration in the Olympics, granted that was best on best in the world and he still wasn't absolutely lost - he set up some nice plays. But then he skipped an entire year, and is back in the Extraliga at age 39 kicking ass. This to me reflects negatively on the quality of our league.

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Quite a dominant performance today from Zigo Palffy. But in a way that is a little disturbing. I noticed his deterioration in the Olympics, granted that was best on best in the world and he still wasn't absolutely lost - he set up some nice plays. But then he skipped an entire year, and is back in the Extraliga at age 39 kicking ass. This to me reflects negatively on the quality of our league.
The league sucks and it´s old news already. But I don´t think it´s right to evaluate players just based on the Olympics, IMO even many top KHL players didn´t perform that well at that level. The year he didn´t play is a different matter, but I think I remember that in his first game during the pre season he got a bunch of points against a Czech Extraliga team, so maybe it´s not just about the league, but also about him as a player. And if Pálffy bothers you, what do you have to say about Ján Pardavý still kicking ass in Trenčín? Pálffy´s dominance I can live with, performances such as from Dzubina and MHC Mountfield today I´m not so sure.

ROUND 2 RESULTS
Poprad- Skalica 5-6
Trenčín- Martin 7-0
Nitra- Banská Bystrica 1-2
Zvolen-Košice 1-3
Bratislava- Žilina 2-0

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Interesting news from the kitchen of Slovan Bratislava:

Goalkeeper of Danish NT - Patrick Galbraith signed one year deal with Slovan
http://www.hcslovan.sk/Default.aspx?...48&NewsID=3694

Good news for defense of Slovan, now Konrád has to compete for the spot .

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Interesting news from the kitchen of Slovan Bratislava:

Goalkeeper of Danish NT - Patrick Galbraith signed one year deal with Slovan
http://www.hcslovan.sk/Default.aspx?...48&NewsID=3694

Good news for defense of Slovan, now Konrád has to compete for the spot .
I know that Slovan´s fans are not really fond of Konrád, but I don´t like this that much....soon we will be left with no Slovak starting goalies in the league, Košice and Nitra have Czechs in Hylák and Lakosil, Nitra has an Austrian-Penker, Banská Bystrica has a Russian Khoroshun and so on.....it seems like a step back from the trends in recent years when a lot of the teams had young Slovak goalies...

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An entertaining game on TV tonight between Dukla and Košice. Especially since Košice decided to show up in the 2nd period. Trenčín beats Košice and Zvolen beats Slovan on the same night, that´s nice to see.

LOL at Banská Bystrica for yesterday´s loss to the Oranges

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Guys, It's almost 2 years, I posted here thread called Trends in Slovnaft Extraliga (Slovakia). Now I decided to update it and I think this thread is suitable for it. What do you think about this progress??


For forwards i decided to choose scoring statistic. Question is: How many players under 25 years there are among 25 best Scoring Leaders?

2011/2012 (at the beginning of the season - 1/6): 9
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0804...tion!61scoring

2010/2011: 4
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2009/2010: 5
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2008/2009: 2
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2007/2008: 2
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2006/2007: 2
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring


For defenders i decided to choose plus minus statistic. Question is: How many players under 25 years there are among 25 best defenders?

2011/2012 (at the beginning of the season - 1/6):11
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0804...!95minus!95def

2010/2011:7
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2009/2010: 10
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2008/2009: 4
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2007/2008: 7
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2006/2007: 5
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def


For goalies i decided to choose Saves Percentage (or Saving) statistic. Question is: How many players under 25 years there are among 10 best goalies?

2011/2012 (at the beginning of the season - 1/6): 8
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0804...e!95percentage

2010/2011: 5
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2009/2010: 3
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2008/2009: 3
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2007/2008: 1
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2006/2007: 4
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage


My Result:

Development of young players in Extraliga is getting better. Some aspects are better other worse. However there is positive trend in Extraliga in last 3 years and young players are becoming leaders.
We can see the real bottom of young hockey players development in Slovak Extraliga was around the years 2007 and 2008. In 2008 there was no Slovak in NHL draft too.
In that period even our Extraliga was such as a backwater, but since then I got a feeling it improved. I guess even an average age of players in the league has decreased from cca. 28 to 25 years... And the most important is the level of league remain stable and that's great. I like to see young guns such as Vandas, Gašparovič, Haščák, Tybor, Hudáček, Tománek... instead of slow boring veterans like Šechný, Faith, Uram, Pavličko etc.

What's your opinion??


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Guys, It's almost 2 years, I posted here thread called Trends in Slovnaft Extraliga (Slovakia). Now I decided to update it and I think this thread is suitable for it. What do you think about this progress??


For forwards i decided to choose scoring statistic. Question is: How many players under 25 years there are among 25 best Scoring Leaders?

2011/2012 (at the beginning of the season - 1/6): 9
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0804...tion!61scoring

2010/2011: 4
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2009/2010: 5
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2008/2009: 2
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2007/2008: 2
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring
2006/2007: 2
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...tion!61scoring


For defenders i decided to choose plus minus statistic. Question is: How many players under 25 years there are among 25 best defenders?

2011/2012 (at the beginning of the season - 1/6):11
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0804...!95minus!95def

2010/2011:7
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2009/2010: 10
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2008/2009: 4
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2007/2008: 7
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def
2006/2007: 5
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...!95minus!95def


For goalies i decided to choose Saves Percentage (or Saving) statistic. Question is: How many players under 25 years there are among 10 best goalies?

2011/2012 (at the beginning of the season - 1/6): 8
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0804...e!95percentage

2010/2011: 5
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2009/2010: 3
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2008/2009: 3
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2007/2008: 1
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage
2006/2007: 4
http://www.szlh.sk/statistiky/c-0001...e!95percentage


My Result:

Development of young players in Extraliga is getting better. Some aspects are better other worse. However there is positive trend in Extraliga in last 3 years and young players are becoming leaders.
We can see the real bottom of young hockey players development in Slovak Extraliga was around the years 2007 and 2008. In 2008 there was no Slovak in NHL draft too.
In that period even our Extraliga was such as a backwater, but since then I got a feeling it improved. I guess even an average age of players in the league has decreased from cca. 28 to 25 years... And the most important is the level of league remain stable and that's great. I like to see young guns such as Vandas, Gašparovič, Haščák, Tybor, Hudáček, Tománek... instead of slow boring veterans like Šechný, Faith, Uram, Pavličko etc.

What's your opinion??
Basically in translation it means that due to the economic situation the teams can no longer afford to (over)pay the old players, so they´ve been forced into doing this. The end result is a good thing though.

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In last month I have read several interviews with Mr Vujtek where he said, the level of hockey in Slovak Extraliga is good enough. He said the best game he has watched in both (Czech and Slovak) leagues, was the game between Dukla Trenčín and HC Košice. Yesterday I read next interview with him and he repeated it and said there were several games in Slovak Extraliga with better hockey than in Czech Extraliga....
About two weeks ago I read an interview with Miroslav Šatan and he said he is pleased with the level of hockey in Slovak league. He said he didn't expected it and he's glad to be back at home.
And Deutschland cup showed to us, players from Slovak Extraliga (youngsters such as Tybor, Miklík, Hudáček, Haščák, Bakoš, Lušňák..., and also veterans such as Kukumberg, Školiak...) play good hockey at the international level.

I've got a fine feeling, better times are coming.

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In last month I have read several interviews with Mr Vujtek where he said, the level of hockey in Slovak Extraliga is good enough. He said the best game he has watched in both (Czech and Slovak) leagues, was the game between Dukla Trenčín and HC Košice. Yesterday I read next interview with him and he repeated it and said there were several games in Slovak Extraliga with better hockey than in Czech Extraliga....
About two weeks ago I read an interview with Miroslav Šatan and he said he is pleased with the level of hockey in Slovak league. He said he didn't expected it and he's glad to be back at home.
And Deutschland cup showed to us, players from Slovak Extraliga (youngsters such as Tybor, Miklík, Hudáček, Haščák, Bakoš, Lušňák..., and also veterans such as Kukumberg, Školiak...) play good hockey at the international level.

I've got a fine feeling, better times are coming.
I´d cool down the optimism if I were you....same goes for the media and the other fans....just last week the league sucked and now a few players win something internationally and suddenly it´s all good.....I know that it was nce to finally win something again and to see those boys play their hearts out there, but please let´s be realistic...

I´ve seen the game between Dukla and Košice only on TV and it´s true that it was a very exciting game played in a high level tempo and it was even of a higher quality than most play-off games in the last few seasons. I´ve also seen a game of an almost equally high quality between Zvolen and Skalica live. And there has been a few more of such games this season. However for every such game you have at least 5 if not 10 games of underaverage to really bad quality. Yes, some of the league players showed at the DC that they can play at a higher and faster level, but with most of them it´s not like they actually do it in the league night in and night out. Part of it I guess can be attributed to what seems like a common trait of us Slovaks- laziness and we just don´t know how to compete all the time (I´m not blaming others, I´m guilty of this myself and I´m not saying this applies to everyone and single of us), but I´d also say that if it wasn´t possible to bet on the results of the preiods of the league games it could do wonders to the level of some games, ditto to the players of all teams actually seeing their salaries regularly.

I don´t know to which extent Vujtek actually believes his statements about the Czech and Slovak leagues, but you have to realize that working for SZĽH as a foreigner he is in no easy position to say the Czech league is much better and the Slovak one sucks, especially not after some players from Slvoak league perform well on the international stage. Of course the Czech league has it´s really good and some pretty bad games (and some of its games may have been worse than the Slovak league games), but not only with the level of play, but also with the infrastructure is lights ahead of the Slovak league. And unless its quality sinks greatly it will be so probably forever. Let´s not lie to ourselves even with a tip top development system Slovakia just can´t have a league that could compete with the European leagues because of the financial situation (unlike Switzerland whose development is still lagging behind the top European countries, but who can with its money afford to have most of its young talent stay at home and also bring high level imports and also unlike the Czech league we don´t have so many almsot retiring high level players that come home before the end of their career and most of ours will rather play abroad until they start limping than step on SK Extraliga ice). I´m not saying that the league can´t be improved, but for the players it´s always gonna be seen just as a bridge to the better European or NA leagues.

As for the Šatan interview, I don´t remember it exactly, but I seem to recall that more than about quality he was actually talking about the speed of the league being higher in previous seasons. Which of course has to do with the higher numbers of young players in the league, but let´s be honest with ourselves higher speed doesn´t necessarily equal a much higher quality. The quality might be somewhat higher than in previous seasons (which I suspect also has to do with the number of teams falling down), but it is far away from it´s times when it had lots of players who grew up not only in the Czechoslovak development system, but also in the Czechoslovak league and since it was bringing up talents like Hossa or Gáborík.

With all the rumors of especially Slovan looking somewhere different than Slovakia for the future and with Košice probably joining them in this, what I see somewhere down the road the best possibility of our league is becoming kind of a development league somewhere down the road- it´s still just a fantasy though.

But just looking at the average age for the league, some teams ar already headed there (not because they want, but because the financial situation forces them to):
Poprad 27.71
Košice 26.69
Banská Bystrica 26.20
Žilina 26.18
Nitra 26.08
Slovan 25.68
Skalica 25.08
Zvolen 24.66
Martin 24.50
Trenčín 24.48

And for most teams it gets even lower when you don´t count the foreigners (30 Czechs, 5 Swedes, 4 Finns, 3 Russians, 1 Ukrainian, 1 Latvian, 1 Austrian, 1 Dane and 1 Slovenian currently):

Poprad 28.38
Košice 26.26
Banská Bystrica 25.35
Žilina 24.92
Nitra 24.41
Slovan 25.09
Skalica 24.68
Zvolen 23.64
Martin 23.96
Trenčín 23.52

One more thing we could do is not just for this league, but also for 1.liga and Sovak hockey overall is finally disband the Hk Orange team. Undepending of how good/bad idea it was at the start of the season, it´s execution this year is a really bad joke- I don´t think they have played a single game with a full line-up this season, appearantly the league teams have no interest in sending their U20 players they could have at least some use of there, and now after a bad performance Tomko seems to have realized that some of his players suck and sent them home getting others a month before the big tourney. So much wasted money for this, just have those players play for their Extraliga teams or loan them out to 1.liga teams and scout them and have trainign camps often or just get them together to play a few 1.liga games like the Finns do or at least used to if you want it so bad. Use that wasted money to pay for transportation in order to establish a nationwide U16 league or to have some of the younger NTs get some good international competition in NA, Sweden or Russia or something, almost anything would be better....

Talking about Slovak hockey as a whole, I´ve read an interview with Róbert Švehla where he said that they were going to introduce their first improvement measures for Slovak hockey in November, since it´s already the second half of the month I don´t know whether they´re just not making it public or something.....I don´t know, maybe it´s very naive, but I still have some hope for Robo to become kind of our Tommy Boustedt.....

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I´d cool down the optimism if I were you....same goes for the media and the other fans....just last week the league sucked and now a few players win something internationally and suddenly it´s all good.....I know that it was nce to finally win something again and to see those boys play their hearts out there, but please let´s be realistic...
Well, you know,I posted here thread "Trends in Slovnaft Extraliga" 2 years ago... I did it, because I felt like some little things started to work better. I didn't say: "suddenly it´s all good." About 4-5 years ago I was pesimistic too. Now I think I'm a realist. I doubt, we ever will be in a position, we were in 2000-2002.

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I´ve seen the game between Dukla and Košice only on TV and it´s true that it was a very exciting game played in a high level tempo and it was even of a higher quality than most play-off games in the last few seasons. I´ve also seen a game of an almost equally high quality between Zvolen and Skalica live. And there has been a few more of such games this season. However for every such game you have at least 5 if not 10 games of underaverage to really bad quality.
I'm HK Poprad fan and usually I watch only the games of Poprad. There were several games of other teams this season, I watched all 3 periods, because it engaged my attention. E.g. Zvolen - Slovan... That's something, that didn't happen to me in previous seasons.


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Yes, some of the league players showed at the DC that they can play at a higher and faster level, but with most of them it´s not like they actually do it in the league night in and night out. Part of it I guess can be attributed to what seems like a common trait of us Slovaks- laziness and we just don´t know how to compete all the time (I´m not blaming others, I´m guilty of this myself and I´m not saying this applies to everyone and single of us), but I´d also say that if it wasn´t possible to bet on the results of the preiods of the league games it could do wonders to the level of some games, ditto to the players of all teams actually seeing their salaries regularly.
OK, I agree most of the players from Extraliga can't do it night in and night out. However tell me, why these flashes of brilliance didn't show players from Extraliga e.g. 4 years ago??
Talking about laziness as a common trait of Slovaks... Man, that's a stupid statement. I think a lot of people from eastern Slovakia would kick your ass, if you tell it.


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I don´t know to which extent Vujtek actually believes his statements about the Czech and Slovak leagues, but you have to realize that working for SZĽH as a foreigner he is in no easy position to say the Czech league is much better and the Slovak one sucks, especially not after some players from Slvoak league perform well on the international stage. Of course the Czech league has it´s really good and some pretty bad games (and some of its games may have been worse than the Slovak league games), but not only with the level of play, but also with the infrastructure is lights ahead of the Slovak league. And unless its quality sinks greatly it will be so probably forever. Let´s not lie to ourselves even with a tip top development system Slovakia just can´t have a league that could compete with the European leagues because of the financial situation (unlike Switzerland whose development is still lagging behind the top European countries, but who can with its money afford to have most of its young talent stay at home and also bring high level imports and also unlike the Czech league we don´t have so many almsot retiring high level players that come home before the end of their career and most of ours will rather play abroad until they start limping than step on SK Extraliga ice). I´m not saying that the league can´t be improved, but for the players it´s always gonna be seen just as a bridge to the better European or NA leagues.
Czech league was much better (is better and will be better, no doubt) and the Slovak one sucked badly a few years ago.
However Slovak league has improved a little bit: more young players, 2 comfort stadiums, a little bit repaired stadiums in Poprad, Skalica, Zvolen and Žilina, some high level players (Pálffy, Šatan, Suchý), that returned before the end of their careers.
And I agree, for the players our league always gonna be seen as a bridge. That's not bad...


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As for the Šatan interview, I don´t remember it exactly, but I seem to recall that more than about quality he was actually talking about the speed of the league being higher in previous seasons. Which of course has to do with the higher numbers of young players in the league, but let´s be honest with ourselves higher speed doesn´t necessarily equal a much higher quality. The quality might be somewhat higher than in previous seasons (which I suspect also has to do with the number of teams falling down), but it is far away from it´s times when it had lots of players who grew up not only in the Czechoslovak development system, but also in the Czechoslovak league and since it was bringing up talents like Hossa or Gáborík.
An article with Šatan statement is here:
http://www.hokejportal.net/?q=clanok...o-bulika/35908
As for quality... Nobody says, league is in a condition such as in 90s!!! League improved a bit since 2007-2008. It was real bottom.


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With all the rumors of especially Slovan looking somewhere different than Slovakia for the future and with Košice probably joining them in this, what I see somewhere down the road the best possibility of our league is becoming kind of a development league somewhere down the road- it´s still just a fantasy though.

But just looking at the average age for the league, some teams ar already headed there (not because they want, but because the financial situation forces them to):
Poprad 27.71
Košice 26.69
Banská Bystrica 26.20
Žilina 26.18
Nitra 26.08
Slovan 25.68
Skalica 25.08
Zvolen 24.66
Martin 24.50
Trenčín 24.48

And for most teams it gets even lower when you don´t count the foreigners (30 Czechs, 5 Swedes, 4 Finns, 3 Russians, 1 Ukrainian, 1 Latvian, 1 Austrian, 1 Dane and 1 Slovenian currently):

Poprad 28.38
Košice 26.26
Banská Bystrica 25.35
Žilina 24.92
Nitra 24.41
Slovan 25.09
Skalica 24.68
Zvolen 23.64
Martin 23.96
Trenčín 23.52
You said it, the league has become a development league once again. It's good. Extraliga was some kind of a development league even in 90s. Players such as Hossa, Gáborík, and especially such as Višňovský, Sekeráš, or Országh grew up in here! Of course now the quality is lower, but it's not a disaster like in 2007-2008...
As for Slovan and Košice looking for other options. It's in the biggest interest of Dukla Trenčín (and even in the biggest interest of Slovak National team) to be involved in that. Development system of Dukla would die in a league without Slovan and Košice. It's similar for HK Poprad.


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One more thing we could do is not just for this league, but also for 1.liga and Sovak hockey overall is finally disband the Hk Orange team. Undepending of how good/bad idea it was at the start of the season, it´s execution this year is a really bad joke- I don´t think they have played a single game with a full line-up this season, appearantly the league teams have no interest in sending their U20 players they could have at least some use of there, and now after a bad performance Tomko seems to have realized that some of his players suck and sent them home getting others a month before the big tourney. So much wasted money for this, just have those players play for their Extraliga teams or loan them out to 1.liga teams and scout them and have trainign camps often or just get them together to play a few 1.liga games like the Finns do or at least used to if you want it so bad. Use that wasted money to pay for transportation in order to establish a nationwide U16 league or to have some of the younger NTs get some good international competition in NA, Sweden or Russia or something, almost anything would be better....
I agree, this year it's bad, really bad... However I disagree with your statement, Extraliga has become younger only because of the financial crisis...
In my opinion under 20 HK Orange team has had a big impact, the league is younger. You say it's a waste of money... I say this year it's like that. However it's the result of this project, teams rather keep their young players (Daňo, Mikúš, Murček). 4-5 years ago Extraliga's clubs didn't get a chance almost on any young player... HK Orange project changed it.


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Originally Posted by slovakiasnextone View Post
Talking about Slovak hockey as a whole, I´ve read an interview with Róbert Švehla where he said that they were going to introduce their first improvement measures for Slovak hockey in November, since it´s already the second half of the month I don´t know whether they´re just not making it public or something.....I don´t know, maybe it´s very naive, but I still have some hope for Robo to become kind of our Tommy Boustedt.....
Yeah, I agree Robo Švehla is the man, who can help to our hockey. I believe even people such as Vujtek, Oremus and Sýkora are the right men... Not sure about Nemeček


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