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11-13-2011, 05:37 PM
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I'm not trying to put down Kreider. I can't even watch the game. But when I watch Cally closely, I notice that he manages to make himself noticeable on his own.

For a guy with the skill and ability that Kreider has, at this level he should be able to do that every game....at least in parts.

In other words don't blame his line mates. Kreider's having a bad game, NBD.

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11-13-2011, 05:57 PM
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Sheesh.... Lots of scrutiny and analyzing Kreider during a regular season college game

Once Kreider makes the NHL, if he farts the wrong way some on HF might start a thread

Talk about putting too much pressure on Kreider.

It is obvious he looks to be a legit NHL player. Great draft pick

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11-13-2011, 06:37 PM
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Miller had just a single assist in a 7-1 win tonight.

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11-13-2011, 06:54 PM
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Jesus christ, how many goals has Plymouth scored in the last 4 games, 25?

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11-13-2011, 07:12 PM
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Guys, let's be honest, BC is struggling this game. Hayes and Arnold are both very good college hockey players, and they give Kreider tons of opportunities most games. One game does not make a player.
Arnold is good. Hayes; not so much. He has zize and can dangle some but he turns it over way too often and doesn't appear to see the game very well. This is not based just in today's game.

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11-13-2011, 07:14 PM
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Arnold is good. Hayes; not so much. He has zize and can dangle some but he turns it over way too often and doesn't appear to see the game very well. This is not based just in today's game.
Arnold is a sophomore getting top minutes on BC. Did BC lose a lot of players from last year?

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11-13-2011, 07:25 PM
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Pretty bad game by everyone on BC. Still shocked at how outright BAD Doumolin looked. I'll take it on faith that he's a good player but he couldn't hold onto the puck at all in any zone tonight and basically turned it over every single time he tried to make a pass. He was terrible.

Kreider was "meh". He had some good shifts, you can see how effective he can be on the forecheck because he can get to loose pucks so quickly at times, he's big, makes pretty smart and safe plays with the puck, but didn't really create chances for himself and relies on his linemates to help get him the puck, which kinda shuts him down if his linemates struggle.

Would like to see him more proactive with the puck but I think that's just the kind of player he is...with good linemates he'll be the guy getting open for shots, and he'll be retrieving the puck and moving it back to his linemates

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BC could not make a tape to tape pass in this game! Just awful passing by BC....

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Miller had just a single assist in a 7-1 win tonight.
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bit of trivia - look at the birth months of our prospects (in post #1). they are nearly all born JAN-APR. This is exactly what Malcolm Gladwell pointed out in his book "Outliers". It's so weird how many hockey players are born in those 4 months.

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Kreider had a poor game...it happens. move along.

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11-14-2011, 01:42 AM
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Kreider had a poor game...it happens. move along.

I hope this ends talk of him being a first liner beginning next season, a first liner who makes Parise unnecessary, no less. This is a young kid who can't buy a beer or go to a night club. If he can be a quality third liner who scores a dozen goals and doesn't make too many mistakes, that's a successful rookie season.

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11-14-2011, 02:42 AM
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I hope this ends talk of him being a first liner beginning next season, a first liner who makes Parise unnecessary, no less. This is a young kid who can't buy a beer or go to a night club. If he can be a quality third liner who scores a dozen goals and doesn't make too many mistakes, that's a successful rookie season.
There's a difference between being a bonafide "first line player" and fitting in and being successful on a first line. Do I really need to list all the first lines in the NHL right now that have a second or third line grinder having great chemistry and success with two other legit first liners? Deja vu.

Kreider OOZES natural gifted abilities. Mainly, his speed and size. That gives him an advantage and makes it likely that he can be the type of player who would flourish instantly with an elite puck distributor like Richards or Stepan.

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I hope this ends talk of him being a first liner beginning next season, a first liner who makes Parise unnecessary, no less. This is a young kid who can't buy a beer or go to a night club. If he can be a quality third liner who scores a dozen goals and doesn't make too many mistakes, that's a successful rookie season.
Hope what ends this talk? That one of the only games of the year some of you watch, he didn't dominate?

Do I need to compile a list of rookies that got fist line duties for the Rangers post-lockout?

Do I need to mention who the coach is, and how lines change constantly?

Its equally as foolish believing he wont get top six minutes next year as a rookie. Its inevitable.

Weather or not Kreider makes Parise unnecessary, is irrelevant, we can't afford Parise, and what makes anyone believe he's leaving Jersey or would chose the Rangers if he did, to begin with?

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Hope what ends this talk? That one of the only games of the year some of you watch, he didn't dominate?

Do I need to compile a list of rookies that got fist line duties for the Rangers post-lockout?

Do I need to mention who the coach is, and how lines change constantly?

Its equally as foolish believing he wont get top six minutes next year as a rookie. Its inevitable.

Weather or not Kreider makes Parise unnecessary, is irrelevant, we can't afford Parise, and what makes anyone believe he's leaving Jersey or would chose the Rangers if he did, to begin with?

I'll take because we're a better team for 400 Alex...

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11-14-2011, 08:43 AM
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Zach Parise? The cap is coming down. Brooks quoted a unnamed NHL team official that the players will get 48-50 percent and another rollback. The NHL could adjust how the cap is calculated. They add $8M to the midpoint plus the 5% to get the upper limit. $16M range. The NHL could propose narrowing the range and make the floor a % of the upper limit instead of $16M less than the upper limit. Even with the $125M more from NBC and the $50M for Winnipeg ticket sales,the cap is coming down. Average ticket price in Winnipwg is $82. 15,000 seats. 41 games. $50M. Revenue was $3B last seasson. 57% of that goes to the players. Subtract for benefits.


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11-14-2011, 09:08 AM
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I'll take because we're a better team for 400 Alex...
And that makes us unique, how? 70% of the league is better then the Devils.

As Rangerboy keeps pointing out, its not going to be possible to fit Parise under the cap that will be coming down.

Which is unfortunate, because he is one of my favorite players in the league. Its just not possible.

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I don't understand how the cap coming down prevents us from signing Parise. If the cap goes down, salaries get rolled back, so from a ratio standpoint, we'll have the same amount of cap space as we do with the 64 mil cap, because Parise will get a smaller contract ($ wise) than he would with a larger cap. So if the cap goes down, Parise isn't getting 7.5 mil. 7.5 mil with the cap going down is equal to like 5 mil, for example. That's my point, its a ratio

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I don't understand how the cap coming down prevents us from signing Parise. If the cap goes down, salaries get rolled back, so from a ratio standpoint, we'll have the same amount of cap space as we do with the 64 mil cap, because Parise will get a smaller contract ($ wise) than he would with a larger cap. So if the cap goes down, Parise isn't getting 7.5 mil. 7.5 mil with the cap going down is equal to like 5 mil, for example. That's my point, its a ratio
He may still be looking for 7.5 million though. Just because the cap goes down doesn't mean his salary demands have to. There will be teams with cap space.

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11-14-2011, 10:33 AM
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Zach Parise? The cap is coming down. Brooks quoted a unnamed NHL team official that the players will get 48-50 percent and another rollback. The NHL could adjust how the cap is calculated. They add $8M to the midpoint plus the 5% to get the upper limit. $16M range. The NHL could propose narrowing the range and make the floor a % of the upper limit instead of $16M less than the upper limit. Even with the $125M more from NBC and the $50M for Winnipeg ticket sales,the cap is coming down. Average ticket price in Winnipwg is $82. 15,000 seats. 41 games. $50M. Revenue was $3B last seasson. 57% of that goes to the players. Subtract for benefits.
A rollback???!

I told you so RB. Several times, but you have still kept claiming that it didn't make sense to give people long contracts since the cap would come down (without ever explaining your reasoning or arguments for why you did not think there would be a roll-back if the cap was reduced substansially). I think thats odd.

Now -- o'boy -- another roll-back will make some of the long term deals out there very very very attractive. Imagine if the roll-back is 15%. Someone like Datsyuk's contract will come down from 6.7m to 5.7m...

Kovalchuk's cap hit would come down to 5.7m too. Sure, he might not be carrying that team -- but for like 3m per you get a Wojtek Wolski. For 5.7m he is worth is for any team. Like a 15% discount on Richards contract would certainly help us too!

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I'm not advocating going after a parise type free agent. And I'm not arguing whether or not the cap is going to come down. What I find odd is people putting that giant cap hit to parise. This is the last summer before the CBA is up. What is to stop a team from handed him, Suter, Ect a Brad Richards type deal? Any team that signs those types of players are going to be around the upper limit anyways, and these guys will more than likely be looking to cash in long term. Seems like an innevitable that these guys will sign those kinds of contracts, with signing bonuses and extra years.

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Salaries don't get rolled back if the cap goes down? No correlation between a player contract and the cap. The 09-10 cap increased by $100k instead of decreasing because of the 5% bump exercised by the PA. If the cap went from $56.7M to $55M,salaries wouldn't have been automatically lowered. The PA would have to agree to another rollback in salaries. The NHLPA won't have much leverage in refusing to take less of a % when the NBA players are going to get
50% but another rollback is a joke. The NHL is a healthy league. Revenue has increased from $2.1B to nearly $3B. It will increase again. The max salary is 20% of the cap. It doesn't matter if the cap was $39M or $$64.3M,its still 20%. Parise is going to sign his next contract under this system. The CBA doesn't expire until 9/15/12. Parise will be signed by the Devils or another team by 7/1. Why would he take less? He didn't hire Newport Sports to take less.

The NHL has increased too much. Look at the NHL and NBA increases in the cap since 200f-07. Steady increase for the NBA and huge jumps for the NHL. The NBA has $1.3B more revenue than the NHL.

The Rangers should be concerned with re-signing their own players instead of adding another toy for the tree.

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This is a prospects thread folks, not a cap/UFA philosophy/Parise thread. Please stay on topic.

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