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11-14-2011, 01:16 PM
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These are some of the best interviews I have seen here. The first one from the WFP and the last one from IC with Noel were extremely insightful.

As someone who was wondering wtf with calling up Jaffray this explains a lot. If you have guy like Tanner Glass who has been on a team that went Game 7 Stanley Cup then he knows the level of effort required. When he is saying that guys aren't doing the basics to succeed, well that says alot about these guys in the locker room. The culture of losing may have been tolerated in Atlanta due to anonymity of the sport, ownership there, whatever but it seems like the organization wants that excuse to end pdq. Good to hear.

Easier to have informed debates on here when the media is asking the coach and players these questions as well. Nice job WPGMikos! And nice toques you guy have too!

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11-14-2011, 01:19 PM
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My respect for Claude Noel grows every day. I really think he is going to turn this team into something.

He doesn't shy away from the issues, and is *mostly* supportive of his players.

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My respect for Claude Noel grows every day. I really think he is going to turn this team into something.

He doesn't shy away from the issues, and is *mostly* supportive of his players.
You can count me in as well. Loved what I read in his pre-game interview there. This team will get there, and I have very little doubt that Noel will be the man to get them there.

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Prospect Pulse: Top Performers

Its that time of the week again. Here are the top three performing Winnipeg Jets prospects from last week:

2. Michael Forney (Colorado Eagles)- The Eagles had another so so weekend in losing a 5-4 game to Utah and then dropping them 3-1 on Saturday night. Forney figured prominently in both games, notching 2 goals Friday night and a goal and an assist in the Saturday night win. He is performing at a high level and may yet see time in St. John’s. I am pulling for him, as he had a promising future not long ago.


The other two top performers after the jump.

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11-14-2011, 02:33 PM
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Winnipeg Jets Afternoon News

Winnipeg Jets Afternoon News

Winnipeg Free Press: Jets coach tinkers with lines. With the Jets anemic offence, it was time to do something and we at IC love that the GST line has been reunited. Perhaps fans will see more of this at the MTS Centre following coach Noel’s moves.


Winnipeg Sun: Jets look to snap losing streak against Lightning. As it currently stands in the IC poll, about 73% of our readers think the Jets are going to end the losing skid tonight against the Bolts.

Jets Affiliate IceCaps News:

The Telegram: Mannino makes his case in IceCaps crease competition. Two of the three goalies down in St. John’s are really making it tough for coach McCambridge to decide on who is going to be his #1 netminder.

Jets next opponent news – Tampa Bay Lightning:

Winnipeg Free Press: Lightning looking to duplicate home record. Sounds like the Bolts are standing behind their 1-3-1 defensive scheme. Will they use it tonight? Stay tuned to @illegalcurve to find out.

Montreal Gazette: Lemaire defends Lightning coach Boucher’s system. Not surprised a defensive coach like Lemaire would defend the system. I was a bit surprised he took a shot at guys who used to coach and are now television hockey analysts.

Faceoff: Closing the trap. The pylons sound off on whether or not the NHL outlaw Guy Boucher’s Tampa Trap?

For all the news, click here.

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11-14-2011, 02:35 PM
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And how were they doing in a month and a half from now? and the next month? and the next month? and the next month? etc.. answer: mediocre to below mediocre.

Craig Ramsay is not an NHL Head Coach. If he was, he would have been occupying that role more than 3 years out of the last 19 years.

Would I have been okay with Ramsay as an asst. coach? yes, and I said that at the time. However, he has yet to prove himself as an NHL Head Coach or even be an NHL Head Coach for more than 1 season over the last 19 years. That says something, for me.

In my own humble opinion, last years Thrashers are and were overrated given their first half. To look at the numbers, it was one 6 game win streak that made them what they were. Other than that, mediocrity and below is what they were as a team.

At the 17 game mark last season (where we are now), Atlanta was a mediocre 8-7-2. They then lost their next 2 games and sat at 8-9-2 heading into a 6 game home-stand to finish out the month of November.

They then won all 6 games in a row of that 6 game home-stand to finish off the month of November at 13-9-3. Overall, an average about .500 start to the year and then a great 6 game home-stand.


Then we go into December where they were 7-6-3, bringing us to the halfway point of the season at game 41 and a record of 20-15-6. That 6 game win streak during that home-stand to finish out November is what put this team in a good position. Other than that, they were a mediocre hockey team.

In January they went 4-4-3. Hovering at mediocrity and bringing them to a record of 24-19-9 after 52 games. Nice record, but what set them apart was that November 6-game home-stand. Aside from that, they have been mediocre.

In February they went 2-7-2, continuing on with their mediocre to well below mediocre play. At the end of February, this team sits at 26-26-11 after 63 games. At this point, they had won just 6 games in 2 months.

Again, they were a mediocre hockey team to this date aside from a strong 6 game winning home stand.

In March they went a mediocre 7-6-1, bringing their overall record to 33-32-12 after 77 games. Again, a mediocre hockey team the entire season to this date aside from that 6 game home-stand win streak at the end of November.

In April, to finish off the season, they went 1-4, bringing their final overall record to 34-36-12 in 82 games, for a total of 80 points.

In looking at these numbers, and facts, the ONLY time this team was not a mediocre (or below) hockey team, was that 6 game home stand at the end of November in which they accumulated 6 wins. Aside from that string of wins, this team wasn't too good and nothing more than a .500 or below, mediocre or below, hockey team. They never once before or after their 6 game winning streak in November put together a string of more than 2 wins at a time.

Sure, at some points some players were playing better than we have seen to date, and at other times they were playing the same or worse. But, as a "team", they were truly never more than a .500, mediocre hockey club.
Very nice breakdown of the situation from last year.

I think this may be the point things start to turn around, there's now a pretty good feel for what we have and who is or is not engaged game to game. "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." to quote fearless leader to the south.

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"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." to quote fearless leader to the south.
Hugo Chávez said that?

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Hugo Chávez said that?
HA! No the socialist north of that socialist.

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Hugo Chávez said that?
So funny, I was going to post the exact same thing

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As far as the coaching goes, up to this point in Noel's very short stint as the jets coach, it looks exactly how it has the last couple of years. Team just keeps going in circles. It'll be up to Noel to break that pattern. Unfortunately it will take some time. Some of the things that some Thrashers fans have said are true and until the team breaks the norm, it'll look like the same old Thrashers.

Noel still has to prove he's an NHL caliber head coach.

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11-14-2011, 03:22 PM
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As far as the coaching goes, up to this point in Noel's very short stint as the jets coach, it looks exactly how it has the last couple of years. Team just keeps going in circles. It'll be up to Noel to break that pattern. Unfortunately it will take some time. Some of the things that some Thrashers fans have said are true and until the team breaks the norm, it'll look like the same old Thrashers.

Noel still has to prove he's an NHL caliber head coach.
He does Duke and we shall see. he is lucky to be in an organization that is loyal and patient because Claude will get every chance and more

Rebuilding any culture does not happen overnight. Like some of the other boys on the board I like the sounds in the pre game interview with Noel and the comments by Mason and Glass calling out the guys who don't buy in. You can bet coching and Managment have identified the problem players and they will either get on board or be dealt at some point.

Now idetifing a problem is the easy part.....anyone can take a reservation it's keeping it that is the hard part. the good news in this case is ownership and Managment are not going anywhere and will refuse to accept a losing culture. Atlanta with ASG and Waddell didn't seem to have a fighting chance. We also have a decent farm team to lean on where guys know the drill. Every little bit helps.

Rome wasn't built in a day and ridding a culture of mediocrity will not happen over night.

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11-14-2011, 03:35 PM
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And how were they doing in a month and a half from now? and the next month? and the next month? and the next month? etc.. answer: mediocre to below mediocre.

Craig Ramsay is not an NHL Head Coach. If he was, he would have been occupying that role more than 3 years out of the last 19 years.

Would I have been okay with Ramsay as an asst. coach? yes, and I said that at the time. However, he has yet to prove himself as an NHL Head Coach or even be an NHL Head Coach for more than 1 season over the last 19 years. That says something, for me.

In my own humble opinion, last years Thrashers are and were overrated given their first half. To look at the numbers, it was one 6 game win streak that made them what they were. Other than that, mediocrity and below is what they were as a team.

At the 17 game mark last season (where we are now), Atlanta was a mediocre 8-7-2. They then lost their next 2 games and sat at 8-9-2 heading into a 6 game home-stand to finish out the month of November.

They then won all 6 games in a row of that 6 game home-stand to finish off the month of November at 13-9-3. Overall, an average about .500 start to the year and then a great 6 game home-stand.


Then we go into December where they were 7-6-3, bringing us to the halfway point of the season at game 41 and a record of 20-15-6. That 6 game win streak during that home-stand to finish out November is what put this team in a good position. Other than that, they were a mediocre hockey team.

In January they went 4-4-3. Hovering at mediocrity and bringing them to a record of 24-19-9 after 52 games. Nice record, but what set them apart was that November 6-game home-stand. Aside from that, they have been mediocre.

In February they went 2-7-2, continuing on with their mediocre to well below mediocre play. At the end of February, this team sits at 26-26-11 after 63 games. At this point, they had won just 6 games in 2 months.

Again, they were a mediocre hockey team to this date aside from a strong 6 game winning home stand.

In March they went a mediocre 7-6-1, bringing their overall record to 33-32-12 after 77 games. Again, a mediocre hockey team the entire season to this date aside from that 6 game home-stand win streak at the end of November.

In April, to finish off the season, they went 1-4, bringing their final overall record to 34-36-12 in 82 games, for a total of 80 points.

In looking at these numbers, and facts, the ONLY time this team was not a mediocre (or below) hockey team, was that 6 game home stand at the end of November in which they accumulated 6 wins. Aside from that string of wins, this team wasn't too good and nothing more than a .500 or below, mediocre or below, hockey team. They never once before or after their 6 game winning streak in November put together a string of more than 2 wins at a time.

Sure, at some points some players were playing better than we have seen to date, and at other times they were playing the same or worse. But, as a "team", they were truly never more than a .500, mediocre hockey club.
Quality post and great breakdown Guerzy.....as I recall some of the old Carolina posters were mentioning that they were going to miss your detailed posts on their board when you departed to become our moderator

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Craig Ramsay is not an NHL Head Coach. If he was, he would have been occupying that role more than 3 years out of the last 19 years.
He was probably the best coach that the Thrashers ever had. But that's not saying much, when you measure him up against the likes of Curt Fraser (served a HC for Belarus, AC stints in St.Louis & Long Island, AHL HC), 2x Don Waddell (not a good coach or manager), Bob Hartley (went to broadcasting, now HC in Switzerland) and John Anderson (AC with Phoenix.)

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Would I have been okay with Ramsay as an asst. coach? yes, and I said that at the time. However, he has yet to prove himself as an NHL Head Coach or even be an NHL Head Coach for more than 1 season over the last 19 years. That says something, for me.
I agree. There is no guarantee that the Jets with Ramsay as a head coach would perform better. Maybe you can extend those doubts to Atlanta, minus relocation.

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In my own humble opinion, last years Thrashers are and were overrated given their first half
I made similar points about it in the PGT from the Columbus game. Somebody quoted me and pointed out that management and players knew by December that the AS was going forward with the sale of the team. Maybe its a combination of both.

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