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11-15-2011, 12:44 PM
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If only it were that easy. Shanahan would've opined that the retaliation was a clear indicator of intent, and, considering Kaleta's past suspension history, given him a 10-game ban.
His quandary would have been that this was a hockey play as Kaleta had the puck and was driving to the net which happens in a large majority of the games.

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11-15-2011, 01:19 PM
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As one of the old grey beards in the site and have seen the replay

once upon a time in the NHL--the rule was that once the goalie left the crease he was treated like any other skater and I think that is the way it should be played, Not saying no PM should have been handed out--but there was no need to a suspension for it

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Miller with some more comments:

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"I’m not as well as I’d like to be, but considering, I feel alright," Miller said during a surprise appearance in the First Niagara Center dressing room. "My neck is pretty sore. I’m trying to figure out if that’s more of a source of headaches or if what I’m really feeling was my head really started hurting.

"You always are concerned. Last year I thought I had a very simple ‘get your bell rung,’ and I missed five games. This, I don’t know how to put a timeline on it, but I am encouraged that my neck feels better. Once that really feels good, I can start to make my way back."

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Good news, still don't expect him back soon.

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Bring up Kassian for the game next week against Boston

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Bring up Kassian for the game next week against Boston
to do what? He has scored more goals than bodychecks in Rochester.

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11-15-2011, 02:05 PM
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As one of the old grey beards in the site and have seen the replay

once upon a time in the NHL--the rule was that once the goalie left the crease he was treated like any other skater and I think that is the way it should be played, Not saying no PM should have been handed out--but there was no need to a suspension for it
so then in other words, the nhl encourages that players line up goalies.

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11-15-2011, 02:18 PM
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to do what? He has scored more goals than bodychecks in Rochester.
All it would take is Regier and/or Ruff pulling BZK aside and saying, "Hey Zack, you know all that stuff we said about you showing more restraint? Yeah, forget that for a game and just go nuts."








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i wish you would have shown his fights instead of that garbage.

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11-15-2011, 02:26 PM
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Kassian also had a good fight with Kyle Clifford in junior, so it is not just hits. I think in the long run this is good for Buffalo you are creating a rival with the SC champions. If this results in players wanting to beat and get better than Boston it is good for the club. Kind of like Calgary got to be a very good team by having a rivalry with those great Oiler teams. Even Vancouver who still no SC champions improved alot though the rivalry with Chicago. If you want a measuring stick it might as well be with the Stanley Cup Champions.

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Ya hes not the cleanest player... So hes perfect for next Wednesdays rematch... Take his head off Zack!

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11-15-2011, 02:34 PM
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Anybody that's played hockey knows how dangerous it is when goalies come out and play the puck like that. It is like hitting a deer, you saw it but could not do anything to avoid it.

Shanahan got it right as did the league. I'm sure there are goalies in here who can attest to how dangerous it is when the puck is in no man's land and the goalie comes out and plays it. You literally do not have time to react, watching it in slow motion it makes it look worse than it is.

Anyone who has played knows what I am talking about here.
I have played hockey all my life, i know how to turn, you see where Lucic stopped striding all he needed to do what turn his skates, really not that difficult.

Goalie leave to play the puck everygame, it was not much of a race, it was obvious the Miller would get to the puck first, really he was not that far out of his net, he almost landed in his crease when hit.

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11-15-2011, 02:35 PM
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if the team as constructed can't "take care of business", then the 29 other teams will exploit that. To call up Kassian or any AHLer everytime we need to respond to a problem on the ice is lame. They need to look at each other in the room and do what needs to be done. They dug this "soft" hole, now they need to climb out of it. And to say they won't dig out is a defeatist attitude and not worth a response.

Call up the player who is doing the best for the position that is needed at the time. No favoritism, no favors, no "good reputation" nods.

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Kassian also had a good fight with Kyle Clifford in junior, so it is not just hits. I think in the long run this is good for Buffalo you are creating a rival with the SC champions. If this results in players wanting to beat and get better than Boston it is good for the club. Kind of like Calgary got to be a very good team by having a rivalry with those great Oiler teams. Even Vancouver who still no SC champions improved alot though the rivalry with Chicago. If you want a measuring stick it might as well be with the Stanley Cup Champions.
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so then in other words, the nhl encourages that players line up goalies.
once upon a time the rules where that if a goalie leaves the cress and handled that puck he was treated like a skater--if you touch a goalie on the cress--you get taken to town for it

Miller left the crease to play the puck and this is what happens when you do it--there was a ten second delay in the hit--it is the same type of hit we see ten times a day when a d-man is clearing his zone

Goalie leaves the crease he takes his chances

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once upon a time the rules where that if a goalie leaves the cress and handled that puck he was treated like a skater--if you touch a goalie on the cress--you get taken to town for it

Miller left the crease to play the puck and this is what happens when you do it--there was a ten second delay in the hit--it is the same type of hit we see ten times a day when a d-man is clearing his zone

Goalie leaves the crease he takes his chances
That was then. This is now.

The rules TODAY, which are what matters, state that goalies are never fair game for body checks.

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Anybody that's played hockey knows how dangerous it is when goalies come out and play the puck like that. It is like hitting a deer, you saw it but could not do anything to avoid it.

Shanahan got it right as did the league. I'm sure there are goalies in here who can attest to how dangerous it is when the puck is in no man's land and the goalie comes out and plays it. You literally do not have time to react, watching it in slow motion it makes it look worse than it is.

Anyone who has played knows what I am talking about here.
i play goal, and dont agree. ML made NO attempt to avoid him. if ANYTHING, the arm follow-through showed clear intent to run him.

deserved a major, but no suspension. if ML does that a 2nd time, suspend him.

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As one of the old grey beards in the site and have seen the replay

once upon a time in the NHL--the rule was that once the goalie left the crease he was treated like any other skater and I think that is the way it should be played, Not saying no PM should have been handed out--but there was no need to a suspension for it


...and every time somebodly "Leagally" hit a goalie, the other team would swarm him, then start running the other goalie. I'm convinced that there wasn't any form of punishment at all, because with Lucic's past and the severity of Miller's injury, they would have had to give him 20 games easy. But they came up with this BS "intent" business, and he got away with nothing.

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I wonder if Thomas will get ran after when these guys play again the 23rd (i think the dates right.) Hope not but if anything it would spark the rivalry up.

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once upon a time the rules where that if a goalie leaves the cress and handled that puck he was treated like a skater--if you touch a goalie on the cress--you get taken to town for it

Miller left the crease to play the puck and this is what happens when you do it--there was a ten second delay in the hit--it is the same type of hit we see ten times a day when a d-man is clearing his zone

Goalie leaves the crease he takes his chances
Once upon a time...

There IS a rule now.
It's illegal to hit goalies even if they leave their crease....

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once upon a time the rules where that if a goalie leaves the cress and handled that puck he was treated like a skater--if you touch a goalie on the cress--you get taken to town for it
The rules have been different for 46 years.

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“I know for a fact if Milan had really wanted to hit him then he wouldn’t have gotten up. That speaks for itself.”
Right, and if Ryan had really wanted to he could have taken his goalie stick and snapped every ligament in Milan's ankles. What garbage.

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Ray Shero at the NHL GM meetings today:

"I'm not talking about plays around the crease because there is going to be incidental contact," Penguins GM Ray Shero said. "But we're talking about a regular-season game with the incident with Lucic and Ryan Miller. If you get into a playoff series and these guys are going to play pucks and you run (goalies) over and get a two-minute penalty, I think you're going to open up a set of pretty dangerous circumstances."

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Shero is the man, guy knows what's up. Go **** yourself Chiarelli. ****in *****.

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Anybody that's played hockey knows how dangerous it is when goalies come out and play the puck like that. It is like hitting a deer, you saw it but could not do anything to avoid it.

Shanahan got it right as did the league. I'm sure there are goalies in here who can attest to how dangerous it is when the puck is in no man's land and the goalie comes out and plays it. You literally do not have time to react, watching it in slow motion it makes it look worse than it is.

Anyone who has played knows what I am talking about here.
Apparently your Conn Smythe trophy winning goaltender doesn't agree with your assessment.

“I will say that as a goalie, you’re not really prepared for people to hit you in a situation like that,” Thomas said. “You’ve been trained over the course of your whole career [to believe] you’re not going to get hit in situations like that. It must have taken him by surprise.”


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