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11-17-2005, 10:54 AM
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Slugging Percentage

In baseball, slugging percentage is at-bats divided by total bases. Let's decide that in hockey slugging percentage is penalty minutes + total points. And let's say you have to have, at a minimum, 200 penalty minutes (so we weed out the softies who pile up points 'cuz of the protection provided by the sluggers) and 40 points (so that we're dealing with players that have some actual skill).

So, since 1970, who would we expect the top sluggers to be?

No doubt Dale Hunter would be on the list -- His best year as a slugger -- 1981-82 with Quebec: 22 goals 50 assists and an impressive 272 penalty minutes for a slugging score of 344.

Terry O'Reilly had a good slugging year in '79-80: 19 goals 42 assists and 265 PIM for a score of 326. Willi Plett was another well-known slugger and got 21 goals, 36 assists and 288 penalty minutes for Calgary in '81-82 for a score of 345

Gary Roberts had a nice slugging year as a 50 goal scorer with the Flames in '91-'92: 53 goals 37 assists and 207 penalty minutes for a socre of 297. That might be the only instance in which a 50 goal scorer got the minimum 200 penalty minutes.

Another impressive slugging year from an offensive production standpoint may belong to Al Secord of the Black Hawks in 1982-83: 44 goals 31 assists and a very respectiable 303 penalty minutes for a score of 378.

Another "well-balanced" slugging year was had by Dave "Tiger" Williams in 1980-81 for Vancouver -- he tallied 35 goals, 27 assists and a whopping 343 penalty minutes for a score of 405.

Tiger's year was bested by Dave Manson of the Black Hawks in 1988-89: 18 goals 36 assists and a formidable 352 penalty minutes for a score of 406

But the top prize goes to Marty McSorley with the LA Kings in 1992-93 (the year they went to the Finals). He barely satisfied the minimum point requirement, getting only 15 goals and 26 assists, but that was more than compensated for by the eye-popping 399 penalty minutes he accumulated for a total score of 440.

And how do modern day sluggers like Todd Bertuzzi measure up against these ancient warriors -- they're nancy boys by comparison. Bertuzzi's best slugging year 2002-03, he doesn't even crack 250: 46 goals, 51 assists and a Euro-like 144 penalty minutes for a feeble slugging percentage of 241.

Matthew Barnaby got to 366 in 1995-96, but he only had 31 points, so he doesn't qualify as a bona fide slugger. Tie Domi also has never reached 40 points in a year.

They don't make 'em like they used to.

Here's a link into Hockey DB for anyone who wants to pull up some other sluggers. I'd be interested to know the best "play-making slugger" -- i.e., best combination of penalty minutes and assists.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...3?pid=00004320

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Let's decide that in hockey slugging percentage is penalty minutes + total points.
Why would we decide that?

First of all, that's not a percentage.

Second of all, it takes something good (points) and combines it with something bad (penalty minutes).


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Probert had a doozy in '87-'88 with 29 goals 33 assists and 398 PIMs. (I believe he also picked up the Red Wings' playoff scoring record that season with 21 points in 16 games. It has since been bested).

Also Tkachuk, Shanahan, and Stevens(Kevin) have all achieved the 50+ goals 200+ PIMs mark. Shanahan, Stevens, and Tocchet hit the 100+ points 200+ PIMs mark. (Stevens and Shanny hit 50+ goals 100+ points 200+ goals the powerforward trifecta.)

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Baseball has way too many irrelevant stats. Slugging percentage is one of them. Hockey is starting to get to that point, too.

As a side, The Hockey News, in its annual Yearbook, developed what they called an IQ system (Intimidation Quotient) a few years ago. The minimum requirements were a player had to have 30 goals and 100 PIMs (misconducts not included). They then multiplied the goal total by three and added it to their PIMs. Tocchet won the first one in 1993 and I believe Shanahan or Tkachuk took it the second year. They softened the standard a few years ago to reflect the declining number of goals.

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Probert had a doozy in '87-'88 with 29 goals 33 assists and 398 PIMs. (I believe he also picked up the Red Wings' playoff scoring record that season with 21 points in 16 games. It has since been bested).

Also Tkachuk, Shanahan, and Stevens(Kevin) have all achieved the 50+ goals 200+ PIMs mark. Shanahan, Stevens, and Tocchet hit the 100+ points 200+ PIMs mark. (Stevens and Shanny hit 50+ goals 100+ points 200+ goals the powerforward trifecta.)
Probert with a 460 -- very impressive. And if you added a third category to the slugging average/intimidation quotient -- arrests -- Probert would probably win hands down.

Shanny, Stevens and Tocchet worthy editions to the list. Brian Sutter came close 46 goals and 254 PIMs for the Blues in '82-'83. Also noticed Ken Linesman in '81-'82 -- 275 PIMs and 92 points -- not bad for a guy of his size.

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One problem with a 40/200 setting is the difference between 40 & 200 now and 40/200 then.

40 points in 03-04 is 136th in league scoring, while in 83-84 it is around 170th with only 21 teams. 200 PIM in 03-04 is good for 7th, while in 83-84 it's only good for 14th.

That's why the guys from today look so bad in comparison. A guy that gets 40 points in 03-04 is 4th/5th in team scoring, while in 83-84 he's 8th/9th. Big difference.

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