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11-17-2011, 08:39 AM
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How creative! A thread in a lame attempt to show that we know everything and the other members on this board who don't agree with us don't know ****. Class... real class.

But fail.

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11-17-2011, 08:40 AM
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Taking everything into consideration, I think Gauthier has done a very good job. If you look at the man games lost by the Habs, you realize we have decent depth - especially on defence. We're on our our 11th d-man in the depth chart.

But right now this looks like a team that is built to tread water. It can plug up holes fairly well. What we're not sure of is if we get a healthy lineup how good will this team be. I really don't know how good or bad this team could be.

Unfortunately, Gauthier can't get a handle on that either. He hasn't had the team together to see what he really has and that could be a problem for the playoffs. Then again, it could be a pleasant surprise and we could bushwack our opponents on our way to the SC finals.

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11-17-2011, 08:42 AM
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How creative! A thread in a lame attempt to show that we know everything and the other members on this board who don't agree with us don't know ****. Class... real class.

But fail.
The only fail is this post because it shows that the message of the thread went right over your head.

Reading some of the posts in this thread it seems like some people are bitter that the habs are actually winning games.

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11-17-2011, 08:43 AM
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How creative! A thread in a lame attempt to show that we know everything and the other members on this board who don't agree with us don't know ****. Class... real class.

But fail.
Maybe you should blog about it.

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11-17-2011, 08:46 AM
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The only fail is this post because it shows that the message of the thread went right over your head.

Reading some of the posts in this thread it seems like some people are mad that the habs are actually winning games.
Cannot say I am surprised to see the fans that seem aimed defend themselves by critizing some more. That is all they seem to know how to do.

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11-17-2011, 08:48 AM
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Let's put things back in perspective? I'll do it for you Kriss, since like some mentioned, it's more a "pass me the kool-aid" thread anyways.

No matter the record in the last 10 games (7-2-1 I believe?) the team is still managed like crap.
-We still have our only checking winger on the 1st line,
-Plekanec still plays on the point
- the pp as a whole still needs some major work. Could somebody please show Diaz how to do a one-timer pass? It's really not that complicating, coaches just need to do their job!
-Eller is back on the wings despite proving he's 10x better at center position
-no grit or protectors in the bottom 2 lines
-no grit or protectors on D when Emelin is in the stands
-we still have a 7'3 mil player with 2 assists.


Despite everything I just wrote," we still have a good team", but with small tweaks to the line-up, we can still be THAT much better imo.

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11-17-2011, 08:48 AM
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I just have a few questions if you guys can help me out.

I was basically born into the Rejean Houle era. While I was young, I literally watched every game. Like many I think the Rejean Houle era was the worst, and things turned around for us when Andre Savard was hired, and later Bob Gainey.

I remember Houle trading Turgeon for basically Corson, I thought we could have gotten a lot more.

Damphousse being traded for a 1st,2nd and 5th round, which I guess isn't that bad, because I thought it was horrible when it happened.

Then there was Recchi who was traded for Zubrus, a former first round 6-5 Centre, and a 2nd, and 6th round pick.

As for prospects, throughout the whole era, the only guy I remember was Jason Ward, who was leading the AHL in scoring or something, but he was nothing in the NHL.

Now that I look at our rosters, and prospect, to me we are under better management and better prospect. But one can argue that since we are always in the 6-7-8 range when it comes to making the play-offs, its literally the same thing.

To me, are Habs now compared to the Habs during the Houle are, are completely different, better prospect pool, a lot better drafting in general, and its getting better with pieces we didn't have before, like Patches, Subban, and Price.

My question is was there the same hope of a better future, I guess with guys like Thibault, Ward, and whoever else.

Thanks, any insight would be great.

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11-17-2011, 08:52 AM
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Let's put things back in perspective? I'll do it for you Kriss, since like some mentioned, it's more a "pass me the kool-aid" thread anyways.

No matter the record in the last 10 games (7-2-1 I believe?) the team is still managed like crap.
-We still have our only checking winger on the 1st line,
-Plekanec still plays on the point
- the pp as a whole still needs some major work. Could somebody please show Diaz how to do a one-timer pass? It's really not that complicating, coaches just need to do their job!
-Eller is back on the wings despite proving he's 10x better at center position
-no grit or protectors in the bottom 2 lines
-no grit or protectors on D when Emelin is in the stands
-we still have a 7'3 mil player with 2 assists.


Despite everything I just wrote, we still have a good team, but with small tweaks to the line-up, we can still be THAT much better imo.
Pass the kool aid?
Did anybody speak of perfection here?

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11-17-2011, 08:53 AM
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Let's put things back in perspective? I'll do it for you Kriss, since like some mentioned, it's more a "pass me the kool-aid" thread anyways.

No matter the record in the last 10 games (7-2-1 I believe?) the team is still managed like crap.
-We still have our only checking winger on the 1st line, And he's our leading goal scorer
-Plekanec still plays on the pointAgreed
- the pp as a whole still needs some major work. Could somebody please show Diaz how to do a one-timer pass? It's really not that complicating, coaches just need to do their job!Maybe
-Eller is back on the wings despite proving he's 10x better at center positionAgreed
-no grit or protectors in the bottom 2 linesAgreed
-no grit or protectors on D when Emelin is in the stands Yes!
-we still have a 7'3 mil player with 2 assists.Although I agree with you. What can they do about it. They really have no c-man on the depth charts if one of the regular c men goes down we're toast.


Despite everything I just wrote," we still have a good team", but with small tweaks to the line-up, we can still be THAT much better imo.
I have to write something here because my post was too short.

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This thread in sum:

KrissE: you see guys they weren't as bad as their start indicated, be more patient and less reactive.

Everyone else: you're such a Kool-aid drinker Kriss, no way we're winning the cup.

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11-17-2011, 08:58 AM
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This thread in sum:

KrissE: you see guys they weren't as bad as their start indicated, be more patient and less reactive.

Everyone else: you're such a Kool-aid drinker Kriss, no way we're winning the cup.
Pretty much. It's past the point of being pathetic too, it is quite comical.
Even funnier is that some will try to tell me what I meant.
Habs fans, the greatest...or the worst?..hmmm

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11-17-2011, 09:04 AM
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To me, are Habs now compared to the Habs during the Houle are, are completely different, better prospect pool, a lot better drafting in general, and its getting better with pieces we didn't have before, like Patches, Subban, and Price.

My question is was there the same hope of a better future, I guess with guys like Thibault, Ward, and whoever else.

Thanks, any insight would be great.
No, the houle era was a dark hole.

The biggest questions I have is -- is Gauthier a winner or is he a competitor ?

What will he do to prove that he can ice more than a competitive team...

With guys like Subban, Patches, Price... the time to rebuild was 3 to 5 years ago.

Now it seems like everything is out of sync -- will Gauthier have the ability to clean-house a bit, and build a true contender... all while remaining competitive?

We all know this team will never get a top lottery pick... so are we on our way?

Odds of winning a cup with guys like Subban, Price, Patches etc.. would have been better if we had sucked 3-4 years ago.... it's the reality

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11-17-2011, 09:13 AM
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Shame on you Kriss E for being a supportive and optimistic fan. That IS NOT what Habs fans are all about. We demand perfection, a Stanley Cup after every season, a team filled with 18 fighters and 18 minimum 30 goal scorers and a goalie who is NEVER allowed to let in a ''softy''. Any less than this, and we as habs fans have the right to be angry. And us being angry and over critical simply means we are rational, if you do not share this sentiment than you are a kool-aid drinker and a fool.

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Pretty much. It's past the point of being pathetic too, it is quite comical.
Even funnier is that some will try to tell me what I meant.
Habs fans, the greatest...or the worst?..hmmm
Stop removing spaces between your sentences just so people will read what you have to say.

Kool-Aid drinker, Gauthier worshipper.

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The only fail is this post because it shows that the message of the thread went right over your head.

Reading some of the posts in this thread it seems like some people are bitter that the habs are actually winning games
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I was thinking the exact same thing. Doesn't serve their agenda I guess. I'm starting to really question some of the so called fans in this forum. God forbid we are happy with the team. I bring up points that I believe make Martin a good coach for example and I'm called a "Martin cheerleader" or an "apologist". I bring up things like Gill is 12th in the NHL in blocked shots and one of the better PK specialists out there and it means I hate Emelin or another rookie.

It's really, really annoying.

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11-17-2011, 09:30 AM
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I was thinking the exact same thing. Doesn't serve their agenda I guess. I'm starting to really question some of the so called fans in this forum. God forbid we are happy with the team. I bring up points that I believe make Martin a good coach for example and I'm called a "Martin cheerleader" or an "apologist". I bring up things like Gill is 12th in the NHL in blocked shots and one of the better PK specialists out there and it means I hate Emelin or another rookie.

It's really, really annoying.
I think re-signing Gill over Hammer was a huge mistake because we had a reliable vet capable of stepping up in case of injuries.
Gill, is only a specialist.
At ES, he is mostly useless. I personally would have made Emelin play over Diaz since the start of the year. Keep Diaz in AHL.

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11-17-2011, 09:33 AM
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A time for perspective might now better be timed near the end of the December when the Habs get those back from the infirmary that will make an impact, and the team will be coming off a road trip that will see them balance out their away/home schedule.

If you want to make a shout out for "perspective" you also can't choose a 7-2-1 stretch as representing that. Even after that stretch the team has only got itself back into the mix as a possibility to make the playoffs. The team ranks 11th in winning pct. The team stats that held it back in the past (20th in team offense, 24th in PP) are still problems. November streaks are only marginally better than October streaks, still months away from when the important hockey gets played. It's when the important hockey gets played that most people have doubts about a small and offensively impotent team.

Jacques Martin has never been in any real danger of losing his job. The team was competing every night, even when the results weren't there. He had injuries. He was always going to get the benefit of the doubt while those 2 things were happening. If you want to see a coach who is waiting for the axe we saw him behind the bench in Carolina last night. Players on his team aren't playing, stars aren't performing and as was pointed out on the telecast last night there were a lot of "straight legs" in every Carolina frame.

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The Habs are not as bad as their first 8 games, nor as good as their record over the last 10 games.

Hopefully they gonna finish their first 20 games with 23 points and keep that pace for the rest of the year.

23 X 4 = 92 points + another 2-3 points for the remaining 2 games.

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23rd is not dramatic? You realize there are only 30 teams right?
Tied for 18th, actually.

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I enjoy how miserable some fans get after the team wins.

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I enjoy how miserable some fans get after the team wins.
Nearly as annoying as the post mortems at year end that do little more than attempt to justify why fans should not be discriminating.

1) We took [insert team name here] to the brink, we beat [insert team name here] in the regular season, therefore by transitive properties the Habs actually won the cup and will win many cups to come.

2) If the team was healthy ...

3) If the officials hadn't robbed us...

4) This team has youth and a good core, it will win next year with more experience.


Excuse makers gonna make excuses.

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I came in this thread with hopes of being realist, and point out that the team hasn't faced some of the tougher opposition in the league, and that the 2 wins in OT could've very well be losses, but all that goes out the window when you have people like this...

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I think you have it wrong... This only happens when fans ''call
out the critics'' for being critical or hard to please.

And you are the biggest culprit.

Nobody is jumping into threads calling people out for being happy about a win.

But don't throw it back on the posters that are reserving the champagne for something bigger.
Who the **** is popping champagne here? All I saw in the month of October was a bunch of people borderline suicide and ready to jump off the bridge and blaming all the problems in the world on Martin. Now that the team is having some success and people are recognizing it, it's busting out the champagne?

Stop trying to convince yourself that what your expectations are, are the same for everyone else. In an 82 game season, you were ready to throw in the towel before the 10 game mark, that tells what you truly are.

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I think re-signing Gill over Hammer was a huge mistake because we had a reliable vet capable of stepping up in case of injuries.
Gill, is only a specialist.
At ES, he is mostly useless. I personally would have made Emelin play over Diaz since the start of the year. Keep Diaz in AHL.
Gill blocks a lot of shots at even strength as well. Also I'm guessing this because I'm not in the dressing room but Gill seems like one of those guys that really help a team gel. The other players seem to really like him and he seems to be great with the young players. I know this isn't a reason to keep a player but it is important. Personally the fact that special teams are so important I think having a guy who makes a living at killing penalties isn't such a bad idea. Our penalty kill is one of the good ones in the league and that can make the difference between a win and a loss every night. Losing Hammer did suck though. Keep in mind we did try to re-sign him. In an ideal world we would have had both in the lineup.

Diaz outplayed Emelin from the camp on in my opinion. I thought he looked better positionaly, made the simple plays and just played a much better all around game. Whether this lasts is another question. Emelin just might need more time given the language restrictions and he might pass Diaz on the depth chart if he isn't already after a performance like last night. He played by far his best game so far last night.

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but...... Gomez does suck.

Definitely, he is almost hopeless now...

0.22 ppg for 7 millions cap hit... LOL !!!

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there's a difference in recognizing success and recognizing success by the babyish ''told you so tankers'' approaches.

this board has issues in accepting that not all fans have the same opinions...

I'll put it to you in the simplistic terms that may be required for those that haven't caught-on;
  1. There is no ONE rule or approach on how to be a habs fan.
  2. We're all fans and we're all equal. Even though opinions vary.
  3. A fan that is ''less critical'' is no better than a fan that is ''very hard to please''

Some of you should should eat some soap ... because you act like children.

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