Team990 20/20 reports Kostitsyn placed on IR. Spacek and Gill out for at least next 2 games. Boy are we screwed.
Does anyone have another source for this? I saw it on Twitter today, but I haven't been able to find news on this anywhere else. Should we still consider him DTD?
St. Dennis is the 11th guy on the depth chart. No team anywhere keeps 11 NHL defensemen in their extended roster for the simple reason that if you had that many you'd trade them for something else. This is the kind of injury calamity that can't be defended against.
and you could even argue that st. denis is #12 on the depth behind brendan nash... at least thats how it was before nash got hurt.
I just cant get my head around at how deep the habs are scraping their system for D. I dont think the habs get enough attention around the league for what they are going through. Its just mind boggling. How many teams can got 12 deep into their defensive pool and stay competitive?... and that's after losing hammer and wiz!
Dont get me wrong, the inexperience on D often gets the habs in trouble, but they are still finding results at least in the last 10 games.
Anyone else not all that disappointed we lost Gill? I know Carolina was basically an AHL squad tonight but I can't say I didn't miss his turtle speed destroying whatever linemate he is teamed with.
and you could even argue that st. denis is #12 on the depth behind brendan nash... at least thats how it was before nash got hurt.
I just cant get my head around at how deep the habs are scraping their system for D. I dont think the habs get enough attention around the league for what they are going through. Its just mind boggling. How many teams can got 12 deep into their defensive pool and stay competitive?... and that's after losing hammer and wiz!
Dont get me wrong, the inexperience on D often gets the habs in trouble, but they are still finding results at least in the last 10 games.
What you're looking at right now on d? is NEXT YEAR
Check who can leave town next year ,and this is the d core you have next year.
Also , the Habs d isn't really " inexperienced" as much as some think. We're talking Diaz is 25 yrs old not 19
Diaz played 8 full season with EV Zug-Swiss,and 8 yrs with them in playoffs.Also played in Olympics.His former team just beat the Ny Rangers in October 2011 this year score 8-4.So not like he was playing in a beer leauge .
Same with Emelin he is 25 years old not 19, had 4 full season with Ak Bars Kazan in KHL,better than AHL.Went to playoffs with them 4 years in a row .Played in World Championships.
The Habs just need to let this guy play .
Weber is 23 and been in and out with Habs for 4 years now ,played in Olympics. Finally coming into his own .
Frédéric St-Denis 25 years old not 19, did some time in Echl and Hammertown .
What you're looking at right now on d? is NEXT YEAR
Check who can leave town next year ,and this is the d core you have next year.
Also , the Habs d isn't really " inexperienced" as much as some think. We're talking Diaz is 25 yrs old not 19
Diaz played 8 full season with EV Zug-Swiss,and 8 yrs with them in playoffs.Also played in Olympics.His former team just beat the Ny Rangers in October 2011 this year score 8-4.So not like he was playing in a beer leauge .
Same with Emelin he is 25 years old not 19, had 4 full season with Ak Bars Kazan in KHL,better than AHL.Went to playoffs with them 4 years in a row .Played in World Championships.
The Habs just need to let this guy play .
Weber is 23 and been in and out with Habs for 4 years now ,played in Olympics. Finally coming into his own .
Frédéric St-Denis 25 years old not 19, did some time in Echl and Hammertown .
Josh is Josh, solid
PK has always be a step ahead .
Yes they are
St Denis : 1st NHL regular season game
Diaz : 1st NHL season
Emelin : 1st NHL season
Weber : 1st full time NHL season
Subban : 2nd full time NHL season
St Denis : 1st NHL regular season game
Diaz : 1st NHL season
Emelin : 1st NHL season
Weber : 1st full time NHL season
Subban : 2nd full time NHL season
that was our D corp tonight...
i understand , but as i said ,there not wet behind the ear rookies coming up at 19 years old .
Diaz is seasoned at 25, so is 25 yr old Emelin,they both played at levels above AHL and on world stages....
Weber been here in Montreal on the roster for 4 yrs now .
He has been around the team and gained the exp he needed.
Has played on world stage.
Subban is like a vet , he already played high pressure situations in
2009 cup run .He already has 21 playoff games under his belt....at 25 mins or more a night .
St Denis is the only guy not seasoned as highly liked the others, but he is 25 not 19, and that helps him ...
i understand , but as i said ,there not wet behind the ear rookies coming up at 19 years old .
Diaz is seasoned at 25, so is 25 yr old Emelin,they both played at levels above AHL and on world stages....
Weber been here in Montreal on the roster for 4 yrs now .
He has been around the team and gained the exp he needed.
Has played on world stage.
Subban is like a vet , he already played high pressure situations in
2009 cup run .He already has 21 playoff games under his belt....at 25 mins or more a night .
St Denis is the only guy not seasoned as highly liked the others, but he is 25 not 19, and that helps him ...
They are still inexperienced NHL players. Why do you even have to argue. They are playing in the NHL now not the KHL or other leagues.
you mean, ex who couldn't find a job in the NHL...
I mean guys who could skate circles around AHL teams.
Many choose to go back home towards end of their career for better money, and you'd do the same .
Many still could play in NHL.
What i'm saying is , he has faced some stiff legit ex NHL competition , not just a bunch of lug nuts .You see Jagr in Phili ....
His transition to NA and NHL? he already got experience playing against them .
The habs just need to let him play , not the press box .
I mean guys who could skate circles around AHL teams.
Many choose to go back home towards end of their career for better money, and you'd do the same .
Many still could play in NHL.
What i'm saying is , he has faced some stiff legit ex NHL competition , not just a bunch of lug nuts .You see Jagr in Phili ....
His transition to NA and NHL? he already got experience playing against them .
The habs just need to let him play , not the press box .
exactly, around AHL teams...
(sounds like Corey Locke to me...)
yes, that's exactly it, towards the END of their career, and there's a reason their career is ending...
what you mean, legit EX nhl ? changing your tune already ?
Jagr is one, but how many Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane or Toews did he/they faced on a weekly basis ?
Does anyone have another source for this? I saw it on Twitter today, but I haven't been able to find news on this anywhere else. Should we still consider him DTD?
I have AK in my yahoo pool and he was just placed on IR.
exactly, around AHL teams...
(sounds like Corey Locke to me...)
yes, that's exactly it, towards the END of their career, and there's a reason their career is ending...
what you mean, legit EX nhl ? changing your tune already ?
Jagr is one, but how many Crosby, Ovechkin, Kane or Toews did he/they faced on a weekly basis ?
The KHL is slightly above the AHL, simply because you have certain European(and some NA) players going there to play 1st and 2nd line minutes for more $$$ than they would in the NHL playing 3rd or 4th line. Perezhogin is a perfect example.
I think the calibre is closer to AHL than NHL, but still a bit above AHL.
Anyone else not all that disappointed we lost Gill? I know Carolina was basically an AHL squad tonight but I can't say I didn't miss his turtle speed destroying whatever linemate he is teamed with.
So what you are saying essentially is that Frederic St. Denis > Hal Gill.
You don't need blinding speed to clear the front of the net, block shots, and bring a solid veteran presence to a camp of young blueliners. If you measure Gill by what you see on highlight reels you end up with your impression. If you can see the intangibles that this guy brings to the team, we'll miss him if this were a long-term thing.
So what you are saying essentially is that Frederic St. Denis > Hal Gill.
You don't need blinding speed to clear the front of the net, block shots, and bring a solid veteran presence to a camp of young blueliners. If you measure Gill by what you see on highlight reels you end up with your impression. If you can see the intangibles that this guy brings to the team, we'll miss him if this were a long-term thing.
I think Gill is a good fit with all the young d-men we have, if all the vets are back healthy maybe we sit him to play young guys occasionally.
Are some of you serious? Have you watched KHL and Swiss league games?
The hockey is completely different, they are on bigger ice and the game is not the same at all. Who cares how old you are if you've never played a game in the NHL?
They had to adapt to this new playstyle and they still are. They are NHL rookies because they never played the game like this before.
If White was not placed on IR, this cannot be good.
My dad ran into White maybe a month ago outside a restaurant downtown. Really classy guy actually talked habs with my dad for around 15 minutes!
Anyways don't want to give out all the details but my dad thinks White won't be back this year. It's his speculation not something White said but apparently White could barely walk and looked noticeably small like he had lost some weight. Obviously after undergoing surgery for a sports hernia something like this could happen. I'm no doctor so I don't know the expected recovery and neither does my dad but he said it did not look good. Ryan was in a perfectly good mood and all so it wasn't like that was an indicator but just how he walked/looked seemed like he'd be back by April at best. Take it for what it's worth cause my dad is certainly not a doctor either. But yeah, doesn't look good.
Are some of you serious? Have you watched KHL and Swiss league games?
The hockey is completely different, they are on bigger ice and the game is not the same at all. Who cares how old you are if you've never played a game in the NHL?
They had to adapt to this new playstyle and they still are. They are NHL rookies because they never played the game like this before.
Nevertheless, they are performing very well.
Yeah it's like saying "you're 25, you went to high school in Finland. Here's a 3rd year McGill university level math exam. You should know it after all you did attend a high school in Finland."
Yeah it's like saying "you're 25, you went to high school in Finland. Here's a 3rd year McGill university level math exam. You should know it after all you did attend a high school in Finland."
That is a terrible analogy.
Sure there is some adjustment period but these guys are professionals and not 18 year old rookies. There IS a difference between an 18 year old rookie and a 25 year old rookie. It's not just age...
and you could even argue that st. denis is #12 on the depth behind brendan nash... at least thats how it was before nash got hurt.
I just cant get my head around at how deep the habs are scraping their system for D. I dont think the habs get enough attention around the league for what they are going through. Its just mind boggling. How many teams can got 12 deep into their defensive pool and stay competitive?... and that's after losing hammer and wiz!
Dont get me wrong, the inexperience on D often gets the habs in trouble, but they are still finding results at least in the last 10 games.
1. Andrei Markov
2. PK Subban
3. Josh Gorges
4. Yannick Weber
5. Hal Gill
6. Jaroslav Spacek
7. Chris Campoli
8. Raphael Diaz
9. Alexei Emelin
10. Brendon Nash
11. Frederic St-Denis
