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11-17-2011, 10:36 AM
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Wow, Ebert must really be taking a tumble.

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Glad to see Joakim Ryan make it to the B's

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Why are "skaters" listed as "forwards"? This is a pretty brutal list at least from the USHL point of view...

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11-17-2011, 10:53 AM
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Rielly over Dumba seems like it is destined to change with Rielly's injury.

As someone who doesn't get to watch the Europeans unless it's WJHC's, what's the general opinion on Collberg. I keep hearing things about him that would seemingly make him a top 10 pick, is it just that deep of a draft? Will we see him at WJHC's?

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11-17-2011, 10:58 AM
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Barber should be in the Top 5. Roy is going to move up as the year progresses. Aston-Reese plays for Lincoln not Rimouski. Gavin Stoick is on NDTP not Rimouski.

I'll also observe that I believe that most of the USHL ranked D-men are a cut below those in the OHL.

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11-17-2011, 10:59 AM
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surprised andrew ryan didn't even make the list for the q. Guessing it's because he is yet to play this year do to an injury. He will surprise some people soon.

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Any reason why they didnt include high school players in this list? Is because high schools really havent started? How about Tier II/Tier III Junior A and Junior A in Canada?

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11-17-2011, 11:01 AM
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Dubeau is clearly to low, he's one the the top keeper in the league at 17

His little frame gave it the second rang behind Tremblay IMO

Beauvilier is very to high!

That's my ranking for the QMJHL

1- Mikhail Grigorenko
2- Martin Frk
3- Luca Ciampini
4- Francois Tremblay
5- Tomas Hyka
6- Alex Dubeau
7- Charles Hudon
8- Dillon Fournier
9- Denis Kamaev
10- Raphael Bussières
11- Brandon Whitney
12- Taylor Burke
13- Andrew Ryan
14- Matej Beran
15- Justin Haché
16- Martin Lefebvre
17- Dominic Poulin
18- Christopher Clapperton
19- Etienne Marcoux
20- Nikita Kolesnikovs
21- Julien Leduc
22- Frédérick Gamelin
23- Liam O'Brien
24- Francis Beauvilier
25- Sven Andrighetto
26- Vladislav Shalimov
27- Maxime Lagace
28- Loic Leduc
29- James Melindy
30- Petr Sidlik
31- Francis Beauvilier
32- Christophe Lalancette
33- François Brassard
34- Félix Girard
35- Ryan Culkin
36- Jacob Brennan
37- Charles David Beaudoin
38- Brett Malone
39- Alexandre LeClerc


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Here's my thoughts on the WHL:

http://whl-from-above.blogspot.com/2...mber-2011.html

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- It seems like consensus among most people is that there is a solid top 6 in the WHL this year with Ryan Murray sitting at the top. I would still agree with that. However, at this point I think Dumba could be the guy that has the best chances of knocking him out of that spot.

- Not shocked to see Rielly ranked ahead of Dumba. I've seen Rielly dominate a game from the blueline. He's an amazing skater that has really taken big stride this year in his defensive game as well. However I expect to see Rielly slide a few spots because of his recent knee injury that will sideline him all season.

- Pouliot over Reinhart is interesting, even though Reinhart has been off to a bit of a slow start this season and he hasn't been too strong in my two viewings of him this year. But, in all the games I've seen Pouliot play, he's never done anything to jump out at me and make me think he should be in consideration for a top 15 pick. Maybe that's just what makes him so appealing to some, the fact that he can go unnoticed while still playing well.

- Not a huge fan of Chandler Stephenson at 7th. I've seen him around a dozen times live over the last year and a bit and he's a solid player, but I have concerns about carrying his offense to the next level. Seems to be more of perimeter player and he's still only listed at 5'9. I would have him ranked somewhere closer to the late 3rd, early 4th round.

- Unfortunately I have yet to see Coda Gordon play, but I have heard nothing but good things.

- I like Mike Winther. He's versatile and plays well in all 3 zones. I just don't have him rated as highly as Central Scouting does. I just don't think he fits into a top 6 at the NHL level so I would have him ranked in a similar spot to Stephenson.

- Severson and Thrower being ranked that low are surprising to me. They should both be inside the top 8-9 for the WHL. Both strong kids who are good offensively and defensively and play with an edge.

- Volek is getting some love, great to see. He's my biggest sleeper from the WHL so far. I would have him slated to go somewhere in round two.

- Really happy to see Travis Brown ranked again by someone other than myself. The kid is very solid and dependable, has a strong frame to grow into and is a good skater. Plays tough, too. With hard work this year, he could continue to climb into many teams top 90-100 ranked players.

- Bozon is a guy people will start to hear more about as the season goes on. Very quick, shifty and dangerous player. Plays with an edge and isn't afraid to fill that agitator role too. He also speaks 4 languages.

- Bertaggia cracking the top 25 is good to see, even though I don't agree with it. Once again, size is major issue here. He's a very good offensive player and is one of the fastest guys in the league, but I don't see him having enough jam to overcome his size problems.

- One of the biggest shockers among the skaters for me is the lack of Jaynen Rissling from Calgary. Admittedly, he was somewhat disappointing in my lone viewing of him this year, but he is a very good two way defenceman with size. His mobility seems to have suffered the slightest bit as he added more height and weight over the summer, but he's got a strong frame and could be a horse at the next level.

- In goal I would definitely agree with the top 3. Makarov has been stellar for Saskatoon, the team's MVP. Driedger is fantastic and has good size, even though he wasn't very good in my only live viewing of him this season. Bartosak is an import that is more of a blocker then goalie at this point, but I like his potential. Boes would be the one guy that could sneak into that top 3, in my opinion.

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Any reason why they didnt include high school players in this list? Is because high schools really havent started? How about Tier II/Tier III Junior A and Junior A in Canada?
HS and the the other Jr Leagues were released late last month.

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11-17-2011, 11:09 AM
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That list is a big joke (QMJHL rankings)

Players not even ranked that should be
Players that should not be on that list
Players on the bottom that should be on top
Players at the top that should be on the bottom

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Ciampini at 25? What's the story there? Haven't followed him at all this year.

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Ciampini at 25? What's the story there? Haven't followed him at all this year.
I don't know who makes that list, but it's not very representative

Just take a look at MY list

I think it's more interesting and representative of the QMJHL talent

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lmao at Trudeau > Dubeau
Trudeau has been absolutely brutal this season

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Solid list for the WHL but I think Stephenson is too high. Some of those D men are going to make teams happy in the 2nd round. Walters,Severson and Thrower are rock solid

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11-17-2011, 11:48 AM
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Solid list for the WHL but I think Stephenson is too high. Some of those D men are going to make teams happy in the 2nd round. Walters,Severson and Thrower are rock solid
I truly don't get the love for Stephenson. He's 5'9. Sure, he has been great playing with Weal off and on this season, but man oh man. I don't see high end potential at the next level out of him.

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Biggest surprise is leaving out Ebert in the OHL. I remember him being touted as a top 5 pick at this time last year and to see him falling this much is baffling me. Anyone know what's going on with him?

Also, I noticed both Ruperts were left off the list? Has this got to do with the Ryan Rupert incident or was this list mostly compiled before it happened?

Being mostly a Dub follower, I am going to predict Severson is this year's "Scheifele" in that he will really rise a lot in the second half of the season once people see more from him and be on par with the top 5 dmen in the WHL.

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Any reason why they didnt include high school players in this list? Is because high schools really havent started? How about Tier II/Tier III Junior A and Junior A in Canada?
Where I'm from, you play high school if you can't make Midget AAA, and you play Midget AAA if you can't make Junior. Not worth ranking/are too young for the draft.

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Why are "skaters" listed as "forwards"? This is a pretty brutal list at least from the USHL point of view...
NHLCS is overly enamored with NDTP. That's my main gripe.

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Where I'm from, you play high school if you can't make Midget AAA, and you play Midget AAA if you can't make Junior. Not worth ranking/are too young for the draft.
Thats the case for most places but in Minnesota and New England there is some high quality high school hockey and you see players get drafted like Nick Leddy, Nick Bjustad, Aaron Ness, Chris Kreider etc

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HS and the the other Jr Leagues were released late last month.
Thanks totally forgot about that, my bad

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Maybe another OHL fan can help me out here, but why is Chris Tierney even ranked?

I've heard he's played better as of late, but in the 5 London games I've seen this year I wouldn't have even put him on a list of draft eligible players.

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Any reason why they didnt include high school players in this list? Is because high schools really havent started? How about Tier II/Tier III Junior A and Junior A in Canada?
Probably because they came out with THIS list earlier.

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People have to remember prospect scouting is about how a player projects to the next level not about how many points he has right now

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