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11-18-2011, 12:13 AM
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Where does what come from?

The guy clearly favors veteran players over younger players. How else can you explain how much icetime guys like Moreau and Stoll get, especially on the PP. Loktionov should clearly be on the PP over both guys.
What coach doesn't though? And as for Loki on the PP, isn't he redundant with JW/Gagne out there?


Also contrary to many on this board, outside his goal, I thought VV had a much better game last nite.

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11-18-2011, 12:14 AM
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As for Lokti, I rather have him at center.
But I still take him over Parse. Over Stoll as well. Wing or otherwise.

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11-18-2011, 12:15 AM
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JJ a -2 on the night
DD with a +1
How can that be, weren't they paired together all night?

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It's not a veteran thing but a size thing as far as Moreau's concerned.
A size thing? Then why not just dress Westgarth and put him out there. Or put Clifford out there.

Ethan Moreau has 0 goals in his past 58 games...please read that again ZERO goals in 58 games. How is this guy sniffing any PP time, it's ridiculous.

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The win gives the Kings a seven point cushion on the Ducks in the standings.

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So we are 2-0 with Voynov.

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11-18-2011, 12:18 AM
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Loki pretty much didn't do anything to deserve any power play time. Plus he is not needed with Gagne/Richards/JW out there Running them.

Also Terry Murray does not send down or call up players. DEAN LOMBARDI DOES THAT...

I am sure he has input, But HE DOES NOT MAKE THAT CALL.

So stop with that BS..

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What coach doesn't though? And as for Loki on the PP, isn't he redundant with JW/Gagne out there?


Also contrary to many on this board, outside his goal, I thought VV had a much better game last nite.
Take Stoll off the point on PP, the guy is the most clueless player in the league, you need game sense to QB a PP. Put Williams back on the point like he was a couple of years ago and let Loktionov play up front with Gagne and put Stoll in front of the net. That would be poetic.

There is simply nothing anyone can say to justify having a guy with zero goals in 58 games to be on the PP.

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11-18-2011, 12:19 AM
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JJ a -2 on the night
DD with a +1
JMFJ - The M stand for Minus! Unbelievable how this happens and his partner gets a +.

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So we are 2-0 with Voynov.
Isn't it 6-0?

I think Quick's 3 game shutout streak came with VV on the roster, and the other game was VV's 2 goal game vs Dallas

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A size thing? Then why not just dress Westgarth and put him out there. Or put Clifford out there.

Ethan Moreau has 0 goals in his past 58 games...please read that again ZERO goals in 58 games. How is this guy sniffing any PP time, it's ridiculous.
Moreau has more skills and experience than both Clifford and Westy.

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You know, I'm all for developing players the right way, but there comes a point when one player (Voynov) is so much better than another (Drewiske), that you just can't send the former down. He's too good. Voynov has stayed loyal and has done everything the Kings have asked him, and he's making an impact NOW. How can you send a guy like that down over Drewiske? He's too good.

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11-18-2011, 12:21 AM
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Take Stoll off the point on PP, the guy is the most clueless player in the league, you need game sense to QB a PP. Put Williams back on the point like he was a couple of years ago and let Loktionov play up front with Gagne and put Stoll in front of the net. That would be poetic.

There is simply nothing anyone can say to justify having a guy with zero goals in 58 games to be on the PP.
He played a good game, and the coach rewarded him with some PP time.

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I think we're 5-1 with Voynov.

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Isn't it 6-0?

I think Quick's 3 game shutout streak came with VV on the roster, and the other game was VV's 2 goal game vs Dallas
I didn't count the other games. I'm not sure.

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Hmmmm odd I got this feeling of Déjà vu! ... like didn't we just beat these guys LAST NIGHT ?


yeah I know lame joke ... but suck it DUCKIES !



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In 2009-2010, we were 1st in the conference at 20 games, having played more than most of the other teams, IIRC. We didn't stay in 1st place for very long that time, and we won't this time either. We came in 6th place that year (3rd in the Pacific). That isn't good enough this year.

We've played at least 2 more games than every other Pacific division team except the Ducks. The good news is the Stars look like they're fading, and it's only a matter of time before the Coyotes do the same. But the Sharks are an elite team and will obviously keep winning; they will not hand over the Pacific Division title. I think the Kings can take the Sharks down, but in order to do it, they'll need to put forth a consistent effort such that tonight's game is the average performance.

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How can that be, weren't they paired together all night?
One was a shortie that Drew was on the ice for.

One Drew got off in a change and there was a turnover so Jack had to retreat instead of going off and he got hit with a minus that had nothing to do with him.

They both were on the ice for one goal that Drew got turned around like a top by Teemu.

One ES goal Drew just stepped on the ice but Jack couldn't get on because Scuderi was leading the rush.

Just another unfathomable minus day by Jack even though he was rock solid.

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You know, I'm all for developing players the right way, but there comes a point when one player (Voynov) is so much better than another (Drewiske), that you just can't send the former down. He's too good. Voynov has stayed loyal and has done everything the Kings have asked him, and he's making an impact NOW. How can you send a guy like that down over Drewiske? He's too good.
Davis is not waiver eligible. I am sure though that Dean Lombardi will find a way to get Slava more playing time.

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11-18-2011, 12:26 AM
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You know, I'm all for developing players the right way, but there comes a point when one player (Voynov) is so much better than another (Drewiske), that you just can't send the former down. He's too good. Voynov has stayed loyal and has done everything the Kings have asked him, and he's making an impact NOW. How can you send a guy like that down over Drewiske? He's too good.
It's not over Drewiske. Drewiske is the #7 option for when the Kings make their move with regards to Martinez/Voynov. They shouldn't get rid of Drewiske, because they will trade one of those two guys and will need Drewiske to then be the injury replacement. This had to be the plan all along, they knew somebody would get injured, and they knew Voynov would come up and play a certain way (good or bad) that forced something to happen. And he played great.

If they waive Drewiske, then it's difficult to trade one of the young defensemen later. Then the Kings would have absolutely no depth in the press box to come in and play games if necessary.

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Take Stoll off the point on PP, the guy is the most clueless player in the league, you need game sense to QB a PP. Put Williams back on the point like he was a couple of years ago and let Loktionov play up front with Gagne and put Stoll in front of the net. That would be poetic.

There is simply nothing anyone can say to justify having a guy with zero goals in 58 games to be on the PP.
I was saying the same exact thing last night regarding Hunter on the PP and got blasted on here.

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You know, I'm all for developing players the right way, but there comes a point when one player (Voynov) is so much better than another (Drewiske), that you just can't send the former down. He's too good. Voynov has stayed loyal and has done everything the Kings have asked him, and he's making an impact NOW. How can you send a guy like that down over Drewiske? He's too good.
You can't just send Drewiske down.That would equate to giving him to the Ducks for nothing. Voynov can go up and down with little risk. Also Drewiske's job is to sit in the booth and maybe play a game here and there if any of the dmen need a day off. Voynov can not play in place of Scuds, Greene or Mitchell. So Drewsike is better suited for this role. I am not saying he is a better player just a better choice for the role he is in.
Do you really want Voynov watching games from the rafters?

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The time has come to trade Martinez.

It's unfortunate because I do like him as a player, but Slava just cannot be denied and the Kings desperately need to add a quality player for the 3rd line.

Having Voynov in Manchester and keeping AMart up here while the Kings 3rd line cannot score or stop anyone makes no sense.

AMart is a good young player, and he should be able to fetch the Kings exactly the type of guy they need, either a 3rd line C or 3rd line RW. Someone who can play in all situations, can chip in some offense and play against other teams good players.

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It's not over Drewiske. Drewiske is the #7 option for when the Kings make their move with regards to Martinez/Voynov. They shouldn't get rid of Drewiske, because they will trade one of those two guys and will need Drewiske to then be the injury replacement. This had to be the plan all along, they knew somebody would get injured, and they knew Voynov would come up and play a certain way (good or bad) that forced something to happen. And he played great.

If they waive Drewiske, then it's difficult to trade one of the young defensemen later. Then the Kings would have absolutely no depth in the press box to come in and play games if necessary.
Who would be next on the depth chart as far as defensive d-men [should Drewiske get waived/traded] down in Manchester?

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I was saying the same exact thing last night regarding Hunter on the PP and got blasted on here.
Yeah, it's mind-boggling to me that Murray actually views Hunter as a secondary scoring option. That's the only reason he's out there. Murray even said that. He has a heavy shot that's less accurate than Stoll's. He flat out sucks. He's a great healthy scratch, though.

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