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11-18-2011, 11:41 PM
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I think the "hate" comes from how he's paid. Anyone who knows hockey has seen him regress over the last couple years. He will continue to regress. Yet instead of paying him like a regressing player, we payed him like he was 26 just entering his prime. He's not a top shut down dman and he's just getting worse.

we shouldn't have signed him to more then 2-2.5. He's an OK shut down guy with no offense. Giving him 3.5 is bad cap managing(though that doesn't matter right now as we're near the bottom). Plus you'd think he'd be loyal and give a home town discount if he wanted to play his whole career in ottawa so badly. None of this happened.
You obviously haven't been watching him play this year.

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You obviously haven't been watching him play this year.
Yeah, you're right. I haven't watched a single game. Especially not every single one...oh wait.

YOU obviously haven't been watching him over the years. He's no where near as good as he was 5 or so years ago. His defense hasn't been as good and his offense is about half of what it used to be. You don't sign a player who's getting worse to a deal worth that much money.

He's been better this year then last year, but that's not hard to beat. He was terrible last year.

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11-19-2011, 12:10 AM
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Yeah, you're right. I haven't watched a single game. Especially not every single one...oh wait.

YOU obviously haven't been watching him over the years. He's no where near as good as he was 5 or so years ago. His defense hasn't been as good and his offense is about half of what it used to be. You don't sign a player who's getting worse to a deal worth that much money.

He's been better this year then last year, but that's not hard to beat. He was terrible last year.
2 seasons ago he had his 2nd highest point total in his career. Last year was his worst, but if you watched the season then I would think it's safe to say everybody had a pretty miserable year.

He's on pace right now for pretty much the same point total he had the year of the cup run, which is below his best. Regardless he's not here to put up points.....and Lee has been the closest shutdown pairing he's had since the departure of Volchie.

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I'm just worried that might be too soft of a D:

Karlsson Gonchar
Rundblad Cowen
Kuba Lee

I'm just wondering... do you watch these games? The only one laying really good hits out there besides Cowen is Rundblad. Lee has nothing on Rundblad, besides weight. Boro doesn't even have weight.

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11-19-2011, 12:19 AM
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Yeah, you're right. I haven't watched a single game. Especially not every single one...oh wait.

YOU obviously haven't been watching him over the years. He's no where near as good as he was 5 or so years ago. His defense hasn't been as good and his offense is about half of what it used to be. You don't sign a player who's getting worse to a deal worth that much money.

He's been better this year then last year, but that's not hard to beat. He was terrible last year.
That is the unfortunate part about capitalism... there is market value and also false value. I dont have an issue with what Neil or Phillips are getting paid. It is way more than anyone should make really, but the players earn the owners the money and deserve a cut of it.

Both Neil and Phillips could have easily got more on the open market. Phillips hasn't regressed that much. The team regressed and he couldn't hold it on his shoulders. He isn't Alfie (aka GOD).

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11-19-2011, 12:32 AM
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I think the "hate" comes from how he's paid. Anyone who knows hockey has seen him regress over the last couple years. He will continue to regress. Yet instead of paying him like a regressing player, we payed him like he was 26 just entering his prime. He's not a top shut down dman and he's just getting worse.

we shouldn't have signed him to more then 2-2.5. He's an OK shut down guy with no offense. Giving him 3.5 is bad cap managing(though that doesn't matter right now as we're near the bottom). Plus you'd think he'd be loyal and give a home town discount if he wanted to play his whole career in ottawa so badly. None of this happened.
Really why should you care how much he gets paid? We are struggling to be at the min salary cap figure now anyway. We will be only adding really significant salary at the end of his contract so he is not affecting our ability to field a team. If we trade him in his last year at the trade dealine his cap hit will not deter a buyer for the last two months of the year. His cap hit is manageable and he is not being paid just for just his on ice play but for all the leadership and community stuff that comes with his experience and commitment to the team and the community.


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Phillips had a chance to show true loyalty to this team by accepting a trade at the deadline last year. He didn't want to be inconvenienced and cost us a building block.
I don't want him anywhere near our young kids. He could have gone to a playoff team but winning doesn't seem to be one of his priorities.
He didn't want to be 'inconvenienced' because he didn't want to leave his dying father in his last few months of his life.

Life > hockey.

The thing about Phillips haters is that they are stupid people.

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11-19-2011, 01:19 AM
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He's being paid market value if not more, and he refused being traded at the deadline last year. It doesn't make him evil (he has every right to get the best deal he can get, and he may have had very good reasons not wanting to be dealt), but saying he's been loyal is pushing it. If anything, it's Murray who's been loyal to him.

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11-19-2011, 01:51 AM
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Really why should you care how much he gets paid? We are struggling to be at the min salary cap figure now anyway. We will be only adding really significant salary at the end of his contract so he is not affecting our ability to field a team. If we trade him in his last year at the trade dealine his cap hit will not deter a buyer for the last two months of the year. His cap hit is manageable and he is not being paid just for just his on ice play but for all the leadership and community stuff that comes with his experience and commitment to the team and the community.
You need to read what i wrote in between brackets...

Just because we won't be reaching the cap the next few years, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to get good deals on players. should we offer kuba a long term extension worth 3 million a year because we have the cap space? no. We have young D that need to play. When carkner comes back, there will be an even bigger logjam.

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11-19-2011, 09:03 AM
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If he helps to turn Cowen, EK and Rundblad into better professionals, and players, then he's worth an extra $500k here or there IMO.

The guy wants to play his whole career here, there's a lot of organizational good will that goes with how we have treated him. Players talk to each other, being known as an organization that treats it's players well goes a long way.

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