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11-17-2011, 11:18 AM
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Best undrafted player, all-time?

forgive me if this is a topic that has already been discussed and feel free to merge accordingly.

Adam Oates was drafted and had one heckuva career ( 4 seasons above 100 points (one was 142 pts), 1400+ total career points). who are some others that have went undrafted and became stars? St. Louis comes to mind right off the top of my head but that's it.

curious to hear what you folks come up with.

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11-17-2011, 11:21 AM
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To make it interesting, you'd want to restrict it to the draft era - and I mean the real draft era, starting in 1969.

And you'd probably want to ignore Wayne Gretzky.

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11-17-2011, 11:21 AM
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Aside from St. Louis, Dan Boyle is pretty good. Honourable mention to Mark Giordano and Dan Girardi.

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11-17-2011, 11:31 AM
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Can't include Gretzky as he never was available to be drafted anyways. Peter Stastny comes to mind with over 1200 points in less then 1000 games. A new HHOF member in nets Ed Belfour also.

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Rafalski could play...

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Can't include Gretzky as he never was available to be drafted anyways. Peter Stastny comes to mind with over 1200 points in less then 1000 games. A new HHOF member in nets Ed Belfour also.
Stastny was obviously an elite talent and would have been drafted if not for the iron curtain. We should probably ignore pre-1990s Europeans if we're going to ignore WHA draftees.

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11-17-2011, 11:48 AM
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Aside from St. Louis, Dan Boyle is pretty good. Honourable mention to Mark Giordano and Dan Girardi.
If you're gonna mention Giordano and Girardi, I'd say Burrows comes before them.

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Got to include Rafalski, pretty good d-man throughout his entire career.

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That St. Louis guy is pretty darn good.

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I think Eddie "The Eagle" Belfour is the only player in HHOF who meets the criteria. Marty St. Louis as Hart Trophy winner is current #2.
Rafalski had pretty good career, played in 5 SCF during 11 seasons. Adam Oates, Geoff Courtnall, Joel Otto and Mike Keane came to my mind.
HM to Sean Avery.

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if we refine this even more to guys who didn't go to a US college, thus eliminating all the late-bloomers and under the radar guys, then mike keane could be the answer. how many guys play in the CHL, fail to get drafted, then make a real impact in the NHL? let alone play 1,000 games like keaner?

(this is assuming that pre-draft era, WHA, and europeans don't count)

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Dino Ciccarelli. Was considered as possible high first round pick in 79, but had a serious leg injury. A lot of NHL GMs thought his career was over, so the passed him up in the draft. Also, the 79 draft was only 6 rounds and was the first year 19 and 20 year olds were eligible, so he was considered a very high risk in a very deep draft year.

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if we refine this even more to guys who didn't go to a US college, thus eliminating all the late-bloomers and under the radar guys, then mike keane could be the answer. how many guys play in the CHL, fail to get drafted, then make a real impact in the NHL? let alone play 1,000 games like keaner?

(this is assuming that pre-draft era, WHA, and europeans don't count)
Steve Thomas 421 goals, 1235 games
Dino Ciccarelli 608 goals, 1232 games

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Best undrafted skater.

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Got to include Rafalski, pretty good d-man throughout his entire career.
5 cup finals and 3(?) wins in his 10 year career lol

Every other year pretty much the guy was cotributing in the cup finals

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11-17-2011, 02:05 PM
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Steve Thomas 421 goals, 1235 games
Dino Ciccarelli 608 goals, 1232 games
wow, those are some pretty impressive careers for guys who played in the CHL, out in the open for all the scouts to see and were still passed over. i notice someone above just posted reasons for ciccarelli being undrafted. also, geoff courtnall would be another 1,000 gamer with a productive career who wasn't drafted out of the CHL, also mentioned above.

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5 cup finals and 3(?) wins in his 10 year career lol

Every other year pretty much the guy was cotributing in the cup finals
Damn! Thats pretty nice.

Most 10 year careers don´t get even one change let alone second.

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Joe Mullen- 502 goals
Tim Kerr- 370 goals, 4-time 50+ goal scorer.

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Adam Oates, Joe Mullen, Ed Belfour, Dino Ciccarelli, Borje Salming, Martin St. Louis, Peter Stastny, Steve Thomas and Curtis Joseph are all in the upper tier.

Steve Duchesne, Mike Keane, Tim Kerr and Geoff Courtnall in the next tier.

Some other next tier players not mentioned:
Goalie
-- Dwayne Roloson
-- Antti Niemi
-- Niklas Bäckström

Defensemen
-- Brian Rafalski
-- Mike Milbury
-- Jamie Macoun
-- Dan Boyle
-- Grant Ledyard
-- Bob Murdoch
-- Risto Siltanen
-- Mark Tinordi

Forward
-- Dave Poulin
-- Anders Hedberg
-- Mike Ridley
-- Jason Blake
-- Joel Otto
-- Dustin Penner
-- Ilkka Sinisalo
-- Marian Stasty

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