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11-19-2011, 08:33 PM
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Bryan Murray May Be Forced To Make A Deal? (If Trends Continue)

Allen Panzeri of the Citizen discusses a topic that I did not think would come up for AT LEAST another month of solid play, but nonetheless.

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The way his team has played over the first 20 games has created a dilem-ma for Ottawa Senators general manager Bryan Murray.

Instead of just sitting back and watching in a rebuilding season, he might have to start thinking about adding pieces to bolster his team's playoff hopes. One game over .500 as they prepare to meet the Vancouver Canucks on Sunday, the Senators have the No. 8 playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/...#ixzz1eD1NwAtA

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What are your opinions? I don't see the need to move anything, I'd much rather keep our young players and picks than give something up.

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Imo this team isnt in a position to bolster the squad if we squeeze into the playoffs.

Play it cool Murray

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This is where Melnyk comes in......

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I say we roll with the team we got.

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Allen Panzeri of the Citizen discusses a topic that I did not think would come up for AT LEAST another month of solid play, but nonetheless.



Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/...#ixzz1eD1NwAtA

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It'd just be a total 180 of what he said the game plan was. We JUST filled our cupboard of prospects and young players, I doubt he's gonna ship it all away for a chance at the playoffs for one year.

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I absolutely do not want to give up assets for a player with no future with this team just to make the playoffs. Even if by some miracle we make it, there's absolutely no way we make it past the first round. Stick it out with this current group and ride out the season.

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Panzeri got horny to be the first one to write this story.

Any deal Murray considers will have the future in mind. If there's a deal that makes sense and makes us better going forward, maybe something happens.

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Exactly, which is why I was surprised at even the notion of "buying". I mean, the addition of a bottom 6 or bottom pairing defenceman isn't necessary seeing as we have a billion of those players, so the only realistic deal I see happening/Murray attempting would be for a Top 6 player. I just don't see that happening at this point.

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buckle up.

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If we move anyone, its Kuba or Lee on defense and maybe Neil, for picks or prospects. Otherwise we win or lose with the lineup we have. Murray drafts well so I'd rather we add picks instead of losing them or prospects for rentals.

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I absolutely do not want to give up assets for a player with no future with this team just to make the playoffs. Even if by some miracle we make it, there's absolutely no way we make it past the first round. Stick it out with this current group and ride out the season.
While I agree with most of the things were saying, the game of hockey is truly unique to any other sport where upsets are a lot more likely.

I can count on my fingers how many times over the last decade a bottom playoff team has upset a top team in the NBA, and it happens A LOT in the NHL.

Again, just being nitpicky.

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At most I'd like one more vet forward, for the sake of experience. Let the kids play, let kids develop.

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At most I'd like one more vet forward, for the sake of experience. Let the kids play, let kids develop.
Like the equivalent of a Cullen/Whitney player? You'd be willing to give up, let's say, a 2nd round pick?

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I'm happy to make a trade that helps the team, but it has to help us longer term as well. The whole trade old for young idea only works sometimes. Teams treat it like religion. We should exploit it backwards....trade a soon-to-be bust prospect for a cap-friendly, gritty, stanley-cup workhorse.

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The Sens should always be looking to improve but not at the expense of the future. We do have assets though and if the right player comes along that will be part of the future I'd be ok with trading asset plus picks so long as it isn't a band aid fix.

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Like the equivalent of a Cullen/Whitney player? You'd be willing to give up, let's say, a 2nd round pick?

Hmm.
I'd love that.

Matt Cullen, Cory Stillman and Mike Comrie were super solid additions.

A Vet forward at a reasonable price and I see no reason to say no.

I'd easily give up a 2nd round pick and a minor leaguer for a 31+ centre who can step in to the top 6.

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I'm happy to make a trade that helps the team, but it has to help us longer term as well. The whole trade old for young idea only works sometimes. Teams treat it like religion. We should exploit it backwards....trade a soon-to-be bust prospect for a cap-friendly, gritty, stanley-cup workhorse.
This post is filled with subtext that suggests "Trade Filatov".

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Like the equivalent of a Cullen/Whitney player? You'd be willing to give up, let's say, a 2nd round pick?

Hmm.
Depends on cost. I might hesitate on picking up a guy if it'd cost a 2nd. I'm looking at more of a 3rd liner than a top-6er, because right now we have three older/established guys in the top-6 (Spezz, Michalek, Alfie) and just two in the bottom-6 (Konopka, Neil). Foligno and Winnie have some experience, not tons though.

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I'd love that.

Matt Cullen, Cory Stillman and Mike Comrie were super solid additions.

A Vet forward at a reasonable price and I see no reason to say no.

I'd easily give up a 2nd round pick and a minor leaguer for a 31+ centre who can step in to the top 6.
Yah, but you also said that we were going all the way last year, didn't you?

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While I agree with most of the things were saying, the game of hockey is truly unique to any other sport where upsets are a lot more likely.

I can count on my fingers how many times over the last decade a bottom playoff team has upset a top team in the NBA, and it happens A LOT in the NHL.

Again, just being nitpicky.
Well since it's still very unlikey we even make the playoffs, it's hardly a bold claim. At best we'd finish 8th, so do you really think we could take the top team in the conference?

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Well since it's still very unlikey we even make the playoffs, it's hardly a bold claim. At best we'd finish 8th, so do you really think we could take the top team in the conference?
No, I'm just a FIRM believer in one of the main reasons hockey is so awesome, that being the better team on paper isn't always the better team on the ice, and whoever the best is on the ice gets the win more often than not.

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No, I'm just a FIRM believer in one of the main reasons hockey is so awesome, that being the better team on paper isn't always the better team on the ice, and whoever the best is on the ice gets the win more often than not.
Sure, but to win the series you have to be the best on the ice 4 times. There's not many teams in the entire league that I'm confident we can do that against.

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Yah, but you also said that we were going all the way last year, didn't you?


I caught that joke.

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Sure, but to win the series you have to be the best on the ice 4 times. There's not many teams in the entire league that I'm confident we can do that against.
Yup, don't disagree.

Again, it's just speculation and the East is looking tougher this year IMO, so I doubt we make the playoffs, but as soon as we do I have a full hope that we can be a team who upsets another one.

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Yah, but you also said that we were going all the way last year, didn't you?
Blow yourself up?



Some guys I would like to see us target if it is at ALL possible:

Daymond Langkow
Jarret Stoll
Olli Jokinen
Jason Arnott
Saku Koivu

Langkow & Stoll will probably not be available, but Langkow is expensive and Stoll has a diminshed roll in LA this year.

Jokinen & Arnott make the most sense, if St. Louis and Calgary are still struggling in a little while.

If Koivu is willing to come over, and Anaheim continues to suck, he should be our number 1 priority.

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