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11-19-2011, 10:10 PM
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This is where Melnyk comes in......
...and says we're going all the way

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11-19-2011, 10:11 PM
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...and says we're going all the way
We are.

We have the most skilled team in the league.

We are the mecca of hockey.

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I would realistically see us make a pretender move in the bargain bin for 2nd line depth... ie; a 7th for Kovalev, Arnason, Wellwood, Hagman, Ryan Shannon, etc. Quite literally unreliable, 2nd line depth that could almost be acquired for free (or substantially less than a 2nd rounder).

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11-19-2011, 10:13 PM
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stay to the plan unless were leading the northeast at trade deadline.

I dont think it is best to lose something like a 2nd for an over the hill vet that will likely add nothing to the team and leave as soon as we miss the playoffs or get pounded by the 1st seed. We could do the samething with what we have plus the picks.

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11-19-2011, 10:17 PM
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Blow yourself up?



Some guys I would like to see us target if it is at ALL possible:

Daymond Langkow
Jarret Stoll
Olli Jokinen
Jason Arnott
Saku Koivu

Langkow & Stoll will probably not be available, but Langkow is expensive and Stoll has a diminshed roll in LA this year.

Jokinen & Arnott make the most sense, if St. Louis and Calgary are still struggling in a little while.

If Koivu is willing to come over, and Anaheim continues to suck, he should be our number 1 priority.
None of those guys are huge upgrades over Regin. In fact Regin at his best is probably better than most of them. Not a fan of kicking Smith down to line 4 with the way he's playing.

So the Sens probably give up a 2nd for a marginally better team. This move doesn't help them get to the 2nd round. just why.. uncle eugene indeed..

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11-19-2011, 10:20 PM
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None of those guys are huge upgrades over Regin. In fact Regin at his best is probably better than most of them. Not a fan of kicking Smith down to line 4 with the way he's playing.

So the Sens probably give up a 2nd for a marginally better team. This move doesn't help them get to the 2nd round. just why.. uncle eugene indeed..
LOL WAT?

WAT?

Sorry, Regin is nowhere near the calibre of any of those players.

Not even remotely close.

Langkow>>>>Regin
Jokinen>>>>Regin
Koivu>>>>Regin
Stoll>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regin
Arnott>>>>Regin

Maybe you need to watch a few Western Conference games...stay up late once in a while.

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11-19-2011, 10:24 PM
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LOL WAT?

WAT?

Sorry, Regin is nowhere near the calibre of any of those players.

Not even remotely close.

Langkow>>>>Regin
Jokinen>>>>Regin
Koivu>>>>Regin
Stoll>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regin
Arnott>>>>Regin

Maybe you need to watch a few Western Conference games...stay up late once in a while.
lol they may be better but not huge upgrades. marginal improvement. Also IMO Regin > Arnott and Koivu. At his best Regin is similar to the others and is the best defensive player.

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11-19-2011, 10:26 PM
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No please, keep the young blood and let them play and develop. I rather us not jeopardize our future.

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11-19-2011, 10:28 PM
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lol they may be better but not huge upgrades. marginal improvement. Also IMO Regin > Arnott and Koivu. At his best Regin is similar to the others and is the best defensive player.
Wow man.

Seriously?

Arnott and Koivu bring way more than Regin in veteran presence and a proven capability to play a top 6 role.

Have you never seen Jarret Stoll play the game of hockey?

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11-19-2011, 10:38 PM
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Wow man.

Seriously?

Arnott and Koivu bring way more than Regin in veteran presence and a proven capability to play a top 6 role.

Have you never seen Jarret Stoll play the game of hockey?
Arnott and koivu aint top 6 material anymore, at least not ideal for the top 6.

Stoll is a bad 2nd line center and great 3rd line center who is solid defensively.

Again marginal upgrades at best in terms of on ice performance. Jokinen > Regin but I still wouldn't give up a 2nd.

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11-19-2011, 10:53 PM
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Blow yourself up?



Some guys I would like to see us target if it is at ALL possible:

Daymond Langkow
Jarret Stoll
Olli Jokinen
Jason Arnott
Saku Koivu

Langkow & Stoll will probably not be available, but Langkow is expensive and Stoll has a diminshed roll in LA this year.

Jokinen & Arnott make the most sense, if St. Louis and Calgary are still struggling in a little while.

If Koivu is willing to come over, and Anaheim continues to suck, he should be our number 1 priority.
all rental players, and none of which would fit the longterm plans of this team. I'm pretty sure BM has made it quite clear that this team won't mortgage any of the future just to add some extra depth for a possible playoff run this year(although Koivu could be tempting if we are still in the hunt at the deadline).

If you take into account that this team is trying to copycat the Detroit organization atm......we in all likelyhood will just stick with what we have this season.

..I would imagine if we indeed were gearing up for a run...we wouldn't be willing to give up more then a marginal prospect and/pick.

If we had this going into the playoffs without giving up much:

Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Foligno-Koivu-Alfie
Filatov/Butler-Regin-Neil
Daugavins-Smith-Condra
Winny, Da Costa, Konopka

Kuba-Karlsson
Cowen-Gonchar
Phillips-Lee/Rundblad
Carkner

I'd be thrilled, alas....the playoffs are quite far from a reality at this point.


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11-19-2011, 10:53 PM
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I figure Ottawa should hang on to its assets and role with the current line up.

We have 4 forwards from the Calder cup winning team(Greening, Condra, Smith, Daugavins), 4 forwards that have made deep playoff runs (Alfredsson, Michalek, Spezza, Neil). We also have Foligno who has been in the playoffs and seems to do pretty good in the post season.

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11-19-2011, 10:59 PM
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Arnason would look great in a Sens jersey.

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11-19-2011, 11:02 PM
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None of those guys are huge upgrades over Regin. In fact Regin at his best is probably better than most of them. Not a fan of kicking Smith down to line 4 with the way he's playing.

So the Sens probably give up a 2nd for a marginally better team. This move doesn't help them get to the 2nd round. just why.. uncle eugene indeed..
Havent seen much of Langkow but Koivu, Stoll especially and Jokinen are easily better than Regin. They are all easily 2nd line C's. Mid-to-lower end, but still... you are crazily over-rating Regin/underrating those other guys. Even Arnott is likely better.

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11-19-2011, 11:04 PM
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Wow man.

Seriously?

Arnott and Koivu bring way more than Regin in veteran presence and a proven capability to play a top 6 role.

Have you never seen Jarret Stoll play the game of hockey?
I've seen Stoll play a lot while living in Edmonton and watching him play on the Kings here in the west, he isn't worth renting. Not for Regin or anyone else. Stoll was a third line player in Edmonton on a bad team. If we were to compare Regin and Stoll, Stoll is simply an older version of Regin with less speed.

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I figure Ottawa should hang on to its assets and role with the current line up.

We have 4 forwards from the Calder cup winning team(Greening, Condra, Smith, Daugavins), 4 forwards that have made deep playoff runs (Alfredsson, Michalek, Spezza, Neil). We also have Foligno who has been in the playoffs and seems to do pretty good in the post season.
You missed Butler and his 13 playoff goals.

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Arnason would look great in a Sens jersey.
He would've if he came cheap and wasn't being added to a Cup contender. But we paid W-A-Y too much for him and he couldn't even make the roster.

This years cheap guys could include;
Rolston, Blake, Hagman, Stempniak, Moss, Morrison, Prospal, Pocahonsky, Sturm, Parenteau, Wellwood...

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There can be a deal for some cheap veteran rentals at the trade deadline.
Hopefully better then Kovalev that the team dumped last year.
And I wouldn't be against trading senator veterans for youth as it will be unlikely the team gets the cup even if they make the playoff

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11-19-2011, 11:11 PM
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So if trends continue and the team clips at an 84 point pace they'll trade futures? Lol Panzeri. The man is so disconnected from reality.

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You missed Butler and his 13 playoff goals.
Cannot believe I missed him. Just goes to show we have quite a bit of depth.

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IMO Murray should simply be happy with a better performance than was anticipated and stick with what he's got. As someone else posted at best he adds depth guys that will cost next to nothing. A little early to be talking about this stuff though.

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11-19-2011, 11:15 PM
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Havent seen much of Langkow but Koivu, Stoll especially and Jokinen are easily better than Regin. They are all easily 2nd line C's. Mid-to-lower end, but still... you are crazily over-rating Regin/underrating those other guys. Even Arnott is likely better.
Jokinen is better than Regin. But beast Regin from this year (not last year's Regin) is at least equal to the rest. Personally I'd chose Regin over them pretty easily.

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I've seen Stoll play a lot while living in Edmonton and watching him play on the Kings here in the west, he isn't worth renting. Not for Regin or anyone else. Stoll was a third line player in Edmonton on a bad team. If we were to compare Regin and Stoll, Stoll is simply an older version of Regin with less speed.
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11-19-2011, 11:35 PM
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Ottawa has something of real value to play with as part of their rebuild - 2nd line centre minutes. Da Costa has shown flashes but most would accept that he should really be in Bingo to develop his game and has only stayed because we lack alternatives and there's no real pressure to win right now. Those minutes are currently not providing a good return and could be better invested to develop another young, promising centre picked up in a trade.

I think Murray will try to make a "hockey trade" and swap some of his more established, "playing well now" players to a struggling team for an under-performing centre. 50 games x 15 TOI with Aldredsson as a line-mate in a low pressure environment could potentially establish another core asset. Possible trades:

1) Brassard for Foligno + Neil + 3rd (BlueJackets won't get the goalie they want for Brassard and may instead need to settle for fair value & help change attitudes/energy on team)

2) Bailey for Kuba (Bailey stalled in development, not scoring; Kuba playing really well - almost shocking after last year - and would help stabilize Islander defence)

3) Loktionov for Neil (Neil would be a useful piece for a team like L.A. that wants to contend now)


As part of our rebuild, it makes sense to move out older players or ones where we have duplication. With the team playing decent hockey now it would be hard to justify just getting picks in return, but also a shame to not get some value for those assets. Trading for a young, "boom/bust" centre may be the best solution here.

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Any young top-6 forward with a few RFA years left available?

I'd gladly package some young players/prospect to acquire one

Brian Lee
Kaspars Daugavins
Eric Gryba
Patrick Wiercioch
Filip Kuba
Jim O'Brien
2nd round pick
3rd round pick

And if necessary, I'd even make Bobby Butler, Peter Regin and Nick Foligno available

But who could be available?

Butler + Lee + Daugavins could get you a decent player, no?


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Wow man.

Seriously?

Arnott and Koivu bring way more than Regin in veteran presence and a proven capability to play a top 6 role.

Have you never seen Jarret Stoll play the game of hockey?
Eugene, you are on HF Boards

Don't even try to understand but everything over 30 y/o on HF is old, overpaid, lazy and over-the-hill.

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1) Brassard for Foligno + Neil + 3rd (BlueJackets won't get the goalie they want for Brassard and may instead need to settle for fair value & help change attitudes/energy on team).
Holy cow overpayment... You'd seriously give both Foligno and Neil (+ a decent pick) for Brassard? Murray would never make that deal.


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We do need a 2nd line Centre, for now and the future. Da Costa isn't ready, and as much as I like him, there's no telling if he will ever be. Regin's health is iffy and even if he is back he can be used on the 3rd line or as a LW. Zib may be a couple of years away still.

Lee + Da Costa + pick for long term 2nd line C? Turris?

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stay the course. we'll balance out and end up out of a playoff spot soon enough.

after tonight we're out of the playoff picture. Tampa is still out of it and Montreal is too. No way we're better than those teams.

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