Ok sure Gorges doesn't make big hits, but he plays a physical defensive game. I honestly don't know who you see when you're watching # 26.
Strangely, nobody wanted Beauchemin. Never ever the guy sucks and all.....and he's #7 in blocked shots. And plays physical. I'll tell you, stats only exist so you used them when you like a guy. Strangely, whenever you don't like a guy, the same stats will mean nothing.
Note though, that I'm not downplaying Gorges. Love the guy. Just talking the infamous stats we keep reading about lately.
St-Denis has quickly become overrated. He plays small minutes against third and fourth lines and has been out raced multiple times. He's a penalty per game AHL player who will never make the transition to full-time NHLer.
St-Denis has quickly become overrated. He plays small minutes against third and fourth lines and has been out raced multiple times. He's a penalty per game AHL player who will never make the transition to full-time NHLer.
St-Denis has quickly become overrated. He plays small minutes against third and fourth lines and has been out raced multiple times. He's a penalty per game AHL player who will never make the transition to full-time NHLer.
St-Denis has quickly become overrated. He plays small minutes against third and fourth lines and has been out raced multiple times. He's a penalty per game AHL player who will never make the transition to full-time NHLer.
However.... the penalty for tripping against the Islanders has to be filed in the " good penalty " category.
I mean... The guy genuinely cares when he takes a penalty while is somewhat under the microscope.
Granted, that's only ONE penalty... But still, that one has to be considered a + for him -- and besides, he wouldn't have had to take it if Weber didn't had a brain fart.
(I doesn't change from the fact that he should go back in the AHL with regulars coming back, but I'd probably send Diaz down before him)
St-Denis has quickly become overrated. He plays small minutes against third and fourth lines and has been out raced multiple times. He's a penalty per game AHL player who will never make the transition to full-time NHLer.
Where's the overrating? Who here have put St-Denis as any better than our regular top 6? People are just seeing overrating when they want to be. I'm putting St-Denis over Diaz, and not based on potential but based on actual play......and based on the fact that I believe Diaz will become a better player the day the speed goes down and he perfect some of the things he needs to perfect. All sorts of strange evaluations in here. People give some time to adjust to some player and to some, they don't. The guy is solid in his own way and yet he's being overrated? Seriously?
So you've seen him 2 games in the NHL....and how many games in the AHL? And you're already determined that he will never be an NHL'er? Not sure you should focus on people overrating players but mostly people downplaying and already determining if a guy will ever play in the NHL after 2 games....The guy plays small time minutes 'cause it's actually his first 2 NHL games he just played.
Once everybody comes back he's out. Like Diaz will be out. Like Emelin who will be #7 'cause they'll be afraid of losing him, like Weber who will most likely be forward #12 for a while. Strangely, people who happened to cheered for Diaz, Emelin and Weber have not been targeted has overrating those guys, but just be happy for what they provide. And yet, they are all out of a top 6 spot real soon. But we ALL know that Emelin, as great a shot blocker he is, would have needed some AHL time. Real bad. Same with Diaz, while in Weber's case I believe it's more a question of being traded at this point in his career. I believe he thinks he should be top 6 and won't be when Markov, Gill, Spacek and Campoli comes back.
Where's the overrating? Who here have put St-Denis as any better than our regular top 6? People are just seeing overrating when they want to be. I'm putting St-Denis over Diaz, and not based on potential but based on actual play......and based on the fact that I believe Diaz will become a better player the day the speed goes down and he perfect some of the things he needs to perfect. All sorts of strange evaluations in here. People give some time to adjust to some player and to some, they don't. The guy is solid in his own way and yet he's being overrated? Seriously?
So you've seen him 2 games in the NHL....and how many games in the AHL? And you're already determined that he will never be an NHL'er? Not sure you should focus on people overrating players but mostly people downplaying and already determining if a guy will ever play in the NHL after 2 games....The guy plays small time minutes 'cause it's actually his first 2 NHL games he just played.
Once everybody comes back he's out. Like Diaz will be out. Like Emelin who will be #7 'cause they'll be afraid of losing him, like Weber who will most likely be forward #12 for a while. Strangely, people who happened to cheered for Diaz, Emelin and Weber have not been targeted has overrating those guys, but just be happy for what they provide. And yet, they are all out of a top 6 spot real soon. But we ALL know that Emelin, as great a shot blocker he is, would have needed some AHL time. Real bad. Same with Diaz, while in Weber's case I believe it's more a question of being traded at this point in his career. I believe he thinks he should be top 6 and won't be when Markov, Gill, Spacek and Campoli comes back.
I agree with you.
+ Of course, the guy is from Quebec. He must be not good enough for NHL.
+ Of course, the guy is from Quebec. He must be not good enough for NHL.
I hate that. I said something on NHL '12 to a Habs fan and he's like "St-Denis sucks, but I guess cause he's a Quebecois, he gets a free pass."
I'm just like.. "WTF, I don't care where he's from... I'm not even french!!"
People have accused me of it on here before - it's like dude, look to the left, it clearly states "Ontario."
St-Denis has been awesome. Over-rated? I don't see how. He's done more than can be expected of him and quite honestly, he was amazing in the 3rd period last night.
LOL @ Diaz going down though next though. He's pretty much one of our Top-4 right now. And besides a few games in the middle of the season, he's done his job well, IMO. The thing I love the most is "Oh, well Emelin is getting used to the NA ice, that's why he makes mistakes - Diaz sucks though."
Of course St. Denis is overrated. He's played 3 games and he's Quebecois, it's just a natural reaction whenever a Quebecois player plays average here when starting out. I don't blame people for hyping up the hometown kid. But let's be real here, Diaz Emelin and Weber are all further along than he is and no amount of Antichambre overhyping him is going to change that.
I do however like what I see. Liked what I saw of Nash last year too. Could be we have a little more depth than we thought. Young depth mind you but still better than no depth What I like about this St-Denis kid is that at every level he proved hard work and dedication mixed with some talent could make him go far. He did not look bad in the preseason or thus far in the season. He has a long way to go to become better than any of our current D though. Give him a year to rip it up in Hamilton. He's been a dark horse of sorts this year over there.
See when he supposedly "tripped" Del Zotto and DZ spun out like a flying dradle? Ranger fans were trying to use mathmatical equations to justify the leaping dive. lol
Of course St. Denis is overrated. He's played 3 games and he's Quebecois, it's just a natural reaction whenever a Quebecois player plays average here when starting out. I don't blame people for hyping up the hometown kid. But let's be real here, Diaz Emelin and Weber are all further along than he is and no amount of Antichambre overhyping him is going to change that.
I do however like what I see. Liked what I saw of Nash last year too. Could be we have a little more depth than we thought. Young depth mind you but still better than no depth What I like about this St-Denis kid is that at every level he proved hard work and dedication mixed with some talent could make him go far. He did not look bad in the preseason or thus far in the season. He has a long way to go to become better than any of our current D though. Give him a year to rip it up in Hamilton. He's been a dark horse of sorts this year over there.
By whom ?
Look at the facts.
Has he played well enough ? Someone answering "no" would be dishonest.
We ALL know that the guy will be sent back to Hamilton as soon as Gill is back.
But be honest. He deserved to be called back and has done well enough to stay for a little while. Too bad for him that he has a two-way contract while Diaz and Yemelin have only NHL contracts.
Another surprising undrafted player. Why bash him for godsake ?
He isn't a fast skater, he is undersized, doesn't have good puck poise, his positionning is average at best. Don't get me wrong, he is a decent call out, a good #8-9 dman to have in a team.
I hope nobody is serious about him being a legit NHLer.
He isn't a fast skater, he is undersized, doesn't have good puck poise, his positionning is average at best. Don't get me wrong, he is a decent call out, a good #8-9 dman to have in a team.
I hope nobody is serious about him being a legit NHLer.
I agree. He got lucky that some of our players kept getting injuried.
Where's the overrating? Who here have put St-Denis as any better than our regular top 6? People are just seeing overrating when they want to be. I'm putting St-Denis over Diaz, and not based on potential but based on actual play......and based on the fact that I believe Diaz will become a better player the day the speed goes down and he perfect some of the things he needs to perfect. All sorts of strange evaluations in here. People give some time to adjust to some player and to some, they don't. The guy is solid in his own way and yet he's being overrated? Seriously?
So you've seen him 2 games in the NHL....and how many games in the AHL? And you're already determined that he will never be an NHL'er? Not sure you should focus on people overrating players but mostly people downplaying and already determining if a guy will ever play in the NHL after 2 games....The guy plays small time minutes 'cause it's actually his first 2 NHL games he just played.
Once everybody comes back he's out. Like Diaz will be out. Like Emelin who will be #7 'cause they'll be afraid of losing him, like Weber who will most likely be forward #12 for a while. Strangely, people who happened to cheered for Diaz, Emelin and Weber have not been targeted has overrating those guys, but just be happy for what they provide. And yet, they are all out of a top 6 spot real soon. But we ALL know that Emelin, as great a shot blocker he is, would have needed some AHL time. Real bad. Same with Diaz, while in Weber's case I believe it's more a question of being traded at this point in his career. I believe he thinks he should be top 6 and won't be when Markov, Gill, Spacek and Campoli comes back.
I enjoy your comments. You include your subjective evaluations and how the player fits into the big picture in addition to the stats that everyone uses and interprets to prove their own points of view.
Like you, I can see Weber as a trade candidate. In the big picture, the team has a lot of players with a similar skill set but lacks players with attributes that Weber, Diaz, Campoli, etc cannot provide.
Could St Denis fill the role that Weber currently plays? Of course not. But when Markov and Campoli return, one of those player will probably fill Weber's current role. Could St Denis then fill the role as that extra defenseman who can be called upon when necessary? I think he can.
The thing is that Weber would probably be dissatisfied with a part-time role while St Denis might embrace it.
Should the Canadiens ever move Weber a position on the team St Denis is still a long shot. We have a glut of players who are ahead of him in the pecking order, including Gill and Spacek. That will change next year.
Huh? I want the Habs to give Emelin's his chance because his upside is quite nice, but right now he's not playing well at all, St-Denis being much better than him.
Don't agree in the least bit. Emelin is more experienced, and no I don't mean NHL even if he is by about 10 games, I mean in general playing in the KHL, and worlds etc. Emelin has to be played to let him get use to the North American game and down the line he will be twice the dman St-Denis can ever be.
He isn't a fast skater, he is undersized, doesn't have good puck poise, his positionning is average at best. Don't get me wrong, he is a decent call out, a good #8-9 dman to have in a team.
I hope nobody is serious about him being a legit NHLer.
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I agree. He got lucky that some of our players kept getting injuried.
Jeeze, I just gotta shake my head and wonder if we're looking at the same player.
I understand that he will go down but next year this kid will be permanently in the NHL - if not in Montreal then on another team. He isn't Bobby Orr but he isn't Patrick Traverse either. If it wasn't for his experience I would tell Gill to rest up and use St Denis. I haven't seen this kid in very much trouble during his present stint or in his preseason one.
He is gonna be another Beauchemin or Robidas in the sense that he comes from nowhere to win a spot.
Okay so he's overrated....based on the fact that l'Antichambre praises him. Okay but then while it has been established that there's a lot of BS in that show....why the hell would you based your opinion on it?
So let's talk about what's going on here....please can people tell me how he is overrated? Just as a legit NHL'er? Possible he's not but how about giving him the same amount of time EVERY OTHER player is getting to make an analysis? Why would he be analyzed differently? 'Cause he's already 25? Anybody around here know that this position is the hardest and that he wouldn't be the first one to start a career older than the rest of the players? Tons of things to learn, as if our D that we have didn't have things to learn.
But then how about you look at it this way. If you think, and you're not far from the truth, that Emelin, Diaz and Weber have way more potential than St-Denis would ever have.....how about sending Emelin and Diaz down so that they've learned the game appropriately so that when they come back, they'll be stronger. Then, you already have a 25 year old who is fine enough positionnally to do an adequate job while you wouldn't have to care about him improving in the AHL 'cause the others will evidently surpass him. If you don't feel like calling anyboyd else, it means St-Denis is doing his job. If not well for the time being it means way more icetime and responsabilities to the upcoming "kids".
St-Denis while unspectacular does not hurt you. At least not with what he's shown right now? Could it change? Of course, we went to an extremely Kasparaitis Emelin to a little cat Emelin. Things do change.
So you hate St-Denis because he's parised by l' Antichambre ?
Did I mention anything about hating St-Denis? Or even St-Denis for that matter.
I was making an observation. L'Antichambre spends their shows gushing over hometown boys and pimping them to no end. Desharnais? It's warranted because he's actually producing. The rest? Not so much.
I hate that. I said something on NHL '12 to a Habs fan and he's like "St-Denis sucks, but I guess cause he's a Quebecois, he gets a free pass."
I'm just like.. "WTF, I don't care where he's from... I'm not even french!!"
People have accused me of it on here before - it's like dude, look to the left, it clearly states "Ontario."
St-Denis has been awesome. Over-rated? I don't see how. He's done more than can be expected of him and quite honestly, he was amazing in the 3rd period last night.
LOL @ Diaz going down though next though. He's pretty much one of our Top-4 right now. And besides a few games in the middle of the season, he's done his job well, IMO. The thing I love the most is "Oh, well Emelin is getting used to the NA ice, that's why he makes mistakes - Diaz sucks though."
What does living in Ontario have to do with anything? I live in Ottawa, have for 5 years now, but I was born and raised in Montreal and I am totally bilingual, well tri, with a french dad and a Polish mother. Also Ottawa and other areas like North Bay etc have huge French populations.
That being said I do agree that wear a player is born should not have any bearing on evaluating him.
