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11-20-2011, 03:20 PM
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Post rebuild Sens!

Let's say, hopefully and hypothetically, the sens are back in playoff contention by the 13-14.

I think that ottawa should trade Gonchar, Lee and Konopka to Florida, Phoenix, Toronto or Dallas for a first, and count on a collapse this year, resulting in us being a able to draft a great D-man, like Murray, Rielle or Dumba.

Then I think the plan is to sign a big-time winger for Spezza to pass to, so he can have a Heatley-like scorer on his line. I like Paul Stastny, but he won't be free until the 14-15 season, and I doubt the Avs don't sign him. Vanek and Perry both have contracts that expire then, but I think their teams sign them then also. Semin's and Parise's expire this year. Less star-like possibilities are Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, Patrice Bergeron, Callahan, Lupul, Hartnell, Pavelski, Horton or Zajac. Of course, there's always Crosby and Malkin who's contracts expire soon

So, looking at Ottawa's prospects, I want to see:

New winger-Spezza-Stone
Puempel-Zibanejad-Noesen
Top two lines. There is no couting Michalek out, because I bet he'll still be here.

Then, there is:
Silfverberg-Da Costa-Michalek
Foligno-Pageau/Regin-Petersson

That's pretty good. We have some solid talent not even counting those guys, like Shane Prince, Culek, Kramer etc.

On the defensive front,
Karlsson-Draftee
Rundblad-Cowen
Kuba-Phillips, if he's still here.

And of course, Lehner between the pipes.

Thoughts.

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11-20-2011, 04:14 PM
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IF I had to pick a group of 'core' players/prospects going forward (I'll say the next 3-4 years):
Spezza, Michalek, Silfverberg, Zibby
Cowen, Karlsson, Rundblad
Lehner

Those guys, to me, represent the best prospects in the system (talent and probability of making an impact) and the two legitimate 1st liners we have right now. I don't expect these guys to be moved unless it is for an even better player.

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11-20-2011, 04:37 PM
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Silfverberg is underrated, he will be part of our top 6 as soon as next year.

Forsberg-Zibanejad-Silfverberg

Is my dream second line. Or Aberg.

Greening-Spezza-Michalek
Aberg-Zibanejad-Silfverberg

That's as far as I could go.

I think our top 4 is close to being set in stone.

Cowen-Karlsson
Rundblad-Borowiecki

I'd want a top end talent like Parise on LW, then again, that would make us contenders.

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11-20-2011, 04:37 PM
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IF I had to pick a group of 'core' players/prospects going forward (I'll say the next 3-4 years):
Spezza, Michalek, Silfverberg, Zibby
Cowen, Karlsson, Rundblad
Lehner

Those guys, to me, represent the best prospects in the system (talent and probability of making an impact) and the two legitimate 1st liners we have right now. I don't expect these guys to be moved unless it is for an even better player.
And this is about as far as you can reasonably take it. Those are the established "priority players" in the org for this new movement. I'm personally comfortable with saying Zack Smith is quickly becoming a guy that will be signed beyond his RFA contract up after next season.

Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Puempel -Zibanejad - Silfverberg
Prince - ZSmith - Stone
??? - ???? - Noesen

Cowen - Karlsson
??? - Rundblad
Boro - ???

Lehner

The guys I think will certainly be in the lineup in 3-4 years in colour. Up for letters will be Spezza (C), Michalek, Karlsson, and I think Cowen and Smith at this point are next in line.

Left side options with expiring contracts: Foligno, Greening, Daugavins
Left side prospects (based on "priority"):
Filatov, Hoffman, Puempel, Prince, Dziurzynski, Kramer

Right side options with expiring contracts: Butler, Condra, Neil
Retirement: Alfredsson
Right side prospects (based on "priority"):
Stone, Noesen, Petersson

Center options with expiring contracts: Da Costa, Winchester, Regin
Center prospects (could be moved to wing):
JOB, Grant, Hamilton, Pageau

Defense options expiring contracts: Phillips, Kuba and Gonchar (not really options)
Defense prospects: Borowiecki, Weircioch, Gryba, Claesson

Just because a guy isn't in red doesn't mean he isn't here, it means I think it's iffy at this point to think he forces the org to make room for him, or maybe he doesn't pan out. We will have some decent NHL players we will have to let go of.

The ??? spots can be filled by emerging prospects or veteran UFA signings. The defense is still going to be young going forward so Phillips may be resigned to be a bottom pairing player or a vet UFA on D or two will need to be signed.


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11-20-2011, 04:40 PM
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And this is about as far as you can reasonably take it. Those are the established "priority players" in the org for this new movement. I'm personally comfortable with saying Zack Smith is quickly becoming a guy that will be signed beyond his RFA contract up after next season.

??? - Spezza - Michalek
??? - Zibanejad - Silfverberg
??? - ZSmith - ???
??? - ???? - ???

Cowen - Karlsson
??? - Rundblad
??? - ???

Lehner

Left side options with expiring contracts: Foligno, Greening, Daugavins
Left side prospects (based on "priority"):
Filatov, Hoffman, Puempel, Prince, Dziurzynski, Kramer

Right side options with expiring contracts: Butler, Condra, Neil
Retirement: Alfredsson
Right side prospects (based on "priority"):
Silfverberg, Stone, Noesen, Petersson

Center options with expiring contracts: Da Costa, Winchester, Regin
Center prospects (could be moved to wing):
JOB, Grant, Hamilton, Pageau

Defense options expiring contracts: Phillips, Kuba and Gonchar (not really options)
Defense prospects: Borowiecki, Weircioch, Gryba, Claesson
Z.Smith is borderline for me, I was going to HM him but figured I wouldn't bother. Agreed with your possibilities, I was too lazy to type all that out.

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11-20-2011, 04:50 PM
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4-5m FA-Spezza-Michalek
Silfverberg-Zibanejad-5-7m FA
Foligno-Greening-Noesen
1-3m FA-Smith-Neil

Cowen-Karlsson
5-6m FA-Rundblad
Phllips-1-3m FA

Lehner
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11-20-2011, 04:51 PM
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Z.Smith is borderline for me, I was going to HM him but figured I wouldn't bother. Agreed with your possibilities, I was too lazy to type all that out.
Had to put some of my personal flavour in there. Smith has been a favourite of mine since the 2010 playoffs and he continues to show me a player I think the org is going to make a point to keep around. Murray stating at the start of camp Smith was basically penciled into the 3rd line C and hearing that he's the most vocal young guy in the dressing room just adds to this. I think if anyones in the middle of earning significant keep off the roster right now, it's Smith. Others may have a different answer, like Greening. But we aren't strong at center in the pipeline at this point and Smith is panning out.

The only good way to do this IMO is to pencil in your sure bets (as you did)...and then figure out what holes you are likely to have, and then what prospects you have that either the org is giving priority too (ex. Boro)...or you're priority prospects based on draft status.

This stuff changes a couple times a year but at this point I think it's a good representation of how our depth chart shakes out currently.

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11-20-2011, 04:58 PM
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I think what the above "depth chart" shows you is we don't have to hope for a forward in this draft, we can take BPA, if there's a top 4 Dman we like...he could fit right in.

We may have to end up paying for one through UFA, or developing one with decent certainty with our 1st this year.

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Smeddy - HATW - Kingslayer
Saabman - Omni - Lili
Shanny - Manked - Saskriders
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CH - GK
RWBG - Marty Straka
BK201 - ???

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Um... fill in the blanks via UFA?
Third line? Center?

2007 Major Peewee Competitive Stats:

Position: LW
GP: 28
G: 11
A: 32 (1st in League *****)
P: 43
Hits: 0

Still have those stats. Anything below the 2nd line is an insult.

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We can trade Manked for a 3rd?

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We can trade Manked for a 3rd?
With those stats we might get a 2nd out of him.

I SAW YOUR WHITE TEXT MANKED. I SAW WHAT YOU DID THERE.

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Shanny doesn't do 3rd lines.


...although a Shanny-Manked-Saskriders line combo would probably be the best in the league.( Shanny played up until Midget CC).


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It will be interesting to see what happens to this team in the next 3 years.

Safe to say we have our first line set (great chemistry)

Then even through unbiased eyes I can say we have seven top 6 forward prospects. (Zibanejad,Silfverberg,Noesen,Puempel, Prince,Stone,Filatov)

Sure, some will bust but I think the Sens may role 3 offensive lines with a 4th consisting k Winchester, Smith and hopefully Neil.

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Michalek - Spezza - Silfverberg

Filatov/Puempel - Zibenajad - Noesen/Stone

Foligno - Regin - Greening

Daugavins - ZSmith - Neil

Hoffman


Karlsson - Cowen

Rundblad - _____

Phillips - Wiercioch

Borowiecki


Lehner

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Had to put some of my personal flavour in there. Smith has been a favourite of mine since the 2010 playoffs and he continues to show me a player I think the org is going to make a point to keep around. Murray stating at the start of camp Smith was basically penciled into the 3rd line C and hearing that he's the most vocal young guy in the dressing room just adds to this. I think if anyones in the middle of earning significant keep off the roster right now, it's Smith. Others may have a different answer, like Greening. But we aren't strong at center in the pipeline at this point and Smith is panning out.

The only good way to do this IMO is to pencil in your sure bets (as you did)...and then figure out what holes you are likely to have, and then what prospects you have that either the org is giving priority too (ex. Boro)...or you're priority prospects based on draft status.

This stuff changes a couple times a year but at this point I think it's a good representation of how our depth chart shakes out currently.
Always liked Zsmith also looks like the perfect third line center,this year he would probably be the best second line option and thats not a good thing

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Really guys? Everyone is kicking Greening off the team when its really only his first real season and is on pace for 23 goals albeit playing with Spezza? He's a perfect third line player...

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Really guys? Everyone is kicking Greening off the team when its really only his first real season and is on pace for 23 goals albeit playing with Spezza? He's a perfect third line player...
Greening's a guy that may have it made on this roster going forward. We still have 0 sure bets on the right side. Hoffman, Prince, Puempel, Filatov...and Greening's thriving in his role.

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I like posts #2 and #4 in this thread

Post Alfie line-up :

Silfverberg - Spezza - Michalek
Regin - Zibanejad - Stone
Greening - Da Costa - Noesen
Kramer - Smith - Neil
Hoffman/Grant

Cowen - Karlsson
Borowiecki - Rundblad
Phillips - Wiercioch
Gryba

Lehner
Anderson

What happens with Foligno, Filatov, Puempel, Prince, Petersson, Pageau, Condra...? no idea

I could see another top-6 forward being acquired with draft/trade/UFA

So many possibilities for the Sens going forward.

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Let's say, hopefully and hypothetically, the sens are back in playoff contention by the 13-14.
lol, why 2 years from now? They might be in playoffs contention as soon as this year. At least they are so far, after 1/4 of the season.

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I think that ottawa should trade Gonchar, Lee and Konopka to Florida, Phoenix, Toronto or Dallas for a first, and count on a collapse this year, resulting in us being a able to draft a great D-man, like Murray, Rielle or Dumba.
The chances of this to happen are what? 0.01%? Which NHL team can take 3 NHL contracts just like that without giving one back?

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Then I think the plan is to sign a big-time winger for Spezza to pass to, so he can have a Heatley-like scorer on his line. I like Paul Stastny, but he won't be free until the 14-15 season, and I doubt the Avs don't sign him. Vanek and Perry both have contracts that expire then, but I think their teams sign them then also. Semin's and Parise's expire this year. Less star-like possibilities are Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri, Patrice Bergeron, Callahan, Lupul, Hartnell, Pavelski, Horton or Zajac. Of course, there's always Crosby and Malkin who's contracts expire soon
Big time winger are not really available on the UFA market anymore...
And what's wrong with Michalek?
Paul Stastny is a center
Gomez?
Ok I could go on but who cares?

Parise would be great though... But our only chance is if Parise choose the Sens himself.


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So, looking at Ottawa's prospects, I want to see:

New winger-Spezza-Stone
Puempel-Zibanejad-Noesen
Top two lines. There is no couting Michalek out, because I bet he'll still be here.

Then, there is:
Silfverberg-Da Costa-Michalek
Foligno-Pageau/Regin-Petersson

That's pretty good. We have some solid talent not even counting those guys, like Shane Prince, Culek, Kramer etc.
Culek and Kramer are not among our best prospects and if they make it to the NHL, it won't be in a scoring role...

Your 4th line is too soft for a 4th line

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Karlsson-Draftee
Rundblad-Cowen
Kuba-Phillips, if he's still here.

And of course, Lehner between the pipes.
Cowen plays Left side, Karlsson plays Right side, Rundblad is more confortable on the Right side too. Phillips plays Left side and Kuba will likely be gone after this season. There's a guy name Borowiecki who might be there though

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Imo we have to let Foligno go after this year, we need room in the lineup for any of Silfverberg, Stone, Zibby, (1st Round 2012 Maybe), and a lot more top prospects.

Looking at just next year we need to open up some forward roster spots,

I know this is really early but just looking at it now, guys that have one year left:
Foligno: I would trade him at the deadline
Konopka: Get what you can at the deadline
Winchester (I would rather Winchester as a 4th liner then Foligno, so I would keep him)
Daugavins: Tough call, lets see how he does, but I think I'd rather someone else.
Da Costa: Imo you sign him, he has flashes of becoming a very good 2nd liner.
Regin: This is tough, but I think I would get what I can at the deadline.

I think Alfie will play one more year

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Referring to my projections at post #4...either someone is going to have to change their name (Wazey Hamilton, I'm looking at you), or we're going to have no choice but to secure Z.Girgensons in this draft to complete zee center group.

That is all.

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YES!!! Top 6! I'll make the room and dig in the corners while Omni lights the other team up and lili distracts them with cute cats.

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Cowen - Karlsson
Borowiecki - Rundblad
Phillips - Wiercioch
Gryba
loving this defense

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loving this defense
But it lacks Brian lee. Yeah, I said it.

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Puempel - Spezza - Michalek
Filatov - Zibinajed - Silverberg
Greening - Smith - Stone
Daugavins - Obrien - Condra

Borowiecki - Karlsson
Cowen - Rundblad
Lee - Philips

Lehner
Anderson

That's the way I see it.

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Michalek-Spezza-Stone
Filatov-Grigorenko-Noeson
Greening-Zibanejad-Hoffman
Foligno-Smith-Neil

Cowen-Karlsson
Phillips-Rundlblad
Borowieki-Lee

Lehner
Andersson/UFA back up

Call ups/prospects: Wiercioch, Petersson, Puempel, Da Costa, Claesson, Dzingel, Prince, Fransoo, Kramer etc.

EDIT: forgot Silfverberg.... definitely see him being in there. I suppose over Hoffman on that sexy 3rd line with Greening and Zibanejad.


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