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11-20-2011, 03:25 PM
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Most of the offense in general has been streaky and inconsistent, it's not just Dubi and Arty.

Anisimov, Callahan, and Dubinsky have scored points in 7 out of 17 games played. Stepan has shown up on the scoresheet in only 6 games, and Boyle, just 4.

And there's room for improvement for Gaborik and Richards as well. The line of Anismov-Stepan-Gaborik looked great for a few games, but their production has dipped. That line hasn't scored a point since the Ottawa game almost 2 weeks ago. During our winning streak, some lines would step up and pick up the slack if another line was struggling. But it's been hard for most of our forwards to produce with any consistency and go on an extended hot streak.

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11-20-2011, 03:46 PM
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What is wrong with some of you guys? Dubinsky is our best playoff performer among offensive skaters only behind Richards! He's in a rut, he'll get out of it. Dubi is not elite, that's why he's streaky, but when he's on he's one of the best all around players in the game. He forechecks, plays great defense, and puts points up whether it's though assists or goals. He's a must have for this team.

Anisimov however I will not make the same argument for. I like him, but he's really nothing we can't live without. For the money Anisimov makes it's very fair value. He's had some sick flashes of brilliance (boston goal, pitt goal) but those flashes are very very rare. He's a primarily defensive forward and we have a lot of those. I have nothing against AA, but if he has to go for us to improve our team I wouldn't hesitate. I feel if we don't make a big move this year we'll look back at 11'-12' years from now and think about what could have been when Gaborik and Richards are shells of their former selves.
I believe what people sense is that as good as Anisimov is, it is hard to project him becoming 50 point scorer plus. Players that are defensive specialists are easier to find or develope than power forwards or scorers. Artie is home grown and a likeable young man, but at some point, the rangers will need to make a few significant trades to tidy up weaknesses. Therefore Anisimov would be a quality piece going back to another club in return. Couldn't you not see Anisimov playing for teams such as Vancouver or Detroit with his style of play?

As for Dubinsky, the kid bleeds Ranger blue, and we love his effort and abilities.
Other than his mustashe, whats not to like. But like wise, his overall talent level isn't
irreplaceable. I believe if he was traded, his physical presence would be missed the most!

My guess is if these trends continue, these two could be trade bait later in the year. What is not a part of this thread is what kind of return could Sather be holding out for in regards to Christensen because he has been pathetic!

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11-20-2011, 05:38 PM
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Really guys? 2/3s of our best line last year is suddenly trade bait for a forward we really don't need? I figured after a 7 game win streak, we would afford the boys a bad night, but hell.

Not to mention, some of you who were completely absent during the win streak decided to come back and **** on everything you can the moment we drop one to the habs. Come around and tell us how awful all of our players are after a win, will you?

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11-20-2011, 06:05 PM
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Really guys? 2/3s of our best line last year is suddenly trade bait for a forward we really don't need? I figured after a 7 game win streak, we would afford the boys a bad night, but hell.

Not to mention, some of you who were completely absent during the win streak decided to come back and **** on everything you can the moment we drop one to the habs. Come around and tell us how awful all of our players are after a win, will you?
i see more of a reaction in post like this. they've been winning despite AA, Dubinsky, and Boyle for that matter adding little to nothing offensively.

I'm all for player development and giving our guys a shot, but AA and Duby starting the season with 1g in 17g is pretty disheartening.
It's not like they're driving to the net, hitting posts, getting stoned, etc.

Don't get me wrong they've played okay so far, overall they've got to start adding offense consistently. For the record i'm not advocating for any player in particular. Nash isn't that much of an upgrade and i'll doubt CB will move him. They paid him all that cash just so he would stay.

I'm not sure who will be available, but if AA, Duby, even Boyle for that matter get break out we've got to make a move now, while they're still commodities. We lost Prucha for peanuts because we didn't move him when we should have.

I'm not saying make a desperate move. But if we can swing a deal for a top 3 scorer, i'd move one of AA or Boyle.

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i see more of a reaction in post like this. they've been winning despite AA, Dubinsky, and Boyle for that matter adding little to nothing offensively.

I'm all for player development and giving our guys a shot, but AA and Duby starting the season with 1g in 17g is pretty disheartening.
It's not like they're driving to the net, hitting posts, getting stoned, etc.

Don't get me wrong they've played okay so far, overall they've got to start adding offense consistently. For the record i'm not advocating for any player in particular. Nash isn't that much of an upgrade and i'll doubt CB will move him. They paid him all that cash just so he would stay.

I'm not sure who will be available, but if AA, Duby, even Boyle for that matter get break out we've got to make a move now, while they're still commodities. We lost Prucha for peanuts because we didn't move him when we should have.

I'm not saying make a desperate move. But if we can swing a deal for a top 3 scorer, i'd move one of AA or Boyle.
I don't think a drunkard would trade you a top 3 scorer for Brian Boyle and a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue. Don't get me wrong, BB is a great 4th line center, but if you ask me he has no place on a second line.

Anisimov is presently under preforming on a massive level. He's keeping his defense up, and found some jump with D-Step. I'm content to keep with the guys we have.

Dubi and Artie haven't found the back of the net. It's strange. But their passing and defense has been world class. I've said it before, Dubi and Cally may make the best penalty killing forward tandem in the league. You remember Callahan owning the puck for 20 seconds under heavy pressure before his pass to Eminger? That doesn't happen if he hasn't played with Dubinsky for years.

I like our guys. I like our team. Personally, I wouldn't make a move except for gross overpayment.

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I don't know how you can say Anisimov is not working when he has 10 points and is our best defensive forward.

Dubinsky does need to wake up, though. He's not a third liner, and he has to stop producing like he's one.
agree. is OP watching games? get shut out, start trade thread. really?

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agree. is OP watching games? get shut out, start trade thread. really?
are you watching the games? i see the points and the strong play.
i expect more than 1g in 17g from our top six forwards esp. ones that
are championed with high potential in their 5th and 3rd seasons.

but hey, as long as they made the big club and wear rangers sweaters who give a flip.

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Really guys? 2/3s of our best line last year is suddenly trade bait for a forward we really don't need? I figured after a 7 game win streak, we would afford the boys a bad night, but hell.

Not to mention, some of you who were completely absent during the win streak decided to come back and **** on everything you can the moment we drop one to the habs. Come around and tell us how awful all of our players are after a win, will you?
Ok first off last year was last friggen year. And when 2 of your better forwards have 1 goal each in almost 20 games you should be concerned and have a right to bring the issue up.

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11-20-2011, 08:54 PM
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I think Anisimov will become trade bait sooner than later. Not that I don't like him, but it just makes too much sense to trade him.

Dubinsky's not going anywhere, however. Not that he's untouchable, I just don't see it. He's part of "the core" IMO.

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I think Anisimov just needs to shoot the puck a little more. That's really it.

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I believe what people sense is that as good as Anisimov is, it is hard to project him becoming 50 point scorer plus. Players that are defensive specialists are easier to find or develope than power forwards or scorers. Artie is home grown and a likeable young man, but at some point, the rangers will need to make a few significant trades to tidy up weaknesses. Therefore Anisimov would be a quality piece going back to another club in return. Couldn't you not see Anisimov playing for teams such as Vancouver or Detroit with his style of play?

As for Dubinsky, the kid bleeds Ranger blue, and we love his effort and abilities.
Other than his mustashe, whats not to like. But like wise, his overall talent level isn't
irreplaceable. I believe if he was traded, his physical presence would be missed the most!

My guess is if these trends continue, these two could be trade bait later in the year. What is not a part of this thread is what kind of return could Sather be holding out for in regards to Christensen because he has been pathetic!

Typical Ranger Fan always thinks the grass in greener on the other side. What do you think your gonna get for any 2 of these guys. Someone most likely that is not consistent and has flaws in their game. They may be a bigger name or scored more goals but at the end of the day why are we looking to move 2 quality players one in Anisimov who has not reached his max pot for other players who if were lucky might make us better but will probably make us worse. Does not make sense.

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I think we need to test the waters a little more before we even have this conversation anyway. We had an absolutely dominant win streak and the rest of the season besides that has been absolute garbage. Let's see which one is the real Rangers before we trade anyone.

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Ok first off last year was last friggen year. And when 2 of your better forwards have 1 goal each in almost 20 games you should be concerned and have a right to bring the issue up.
Its the process not the points. Both these players show they have the tools to play well in this league, they can skate, have skill and shoot and also both can play as 2-way centers. They are 2 guys other teams would love to have and its for a reason. I am not moving either one unless im getting someone better. And who is better that is available? All i hear is Nash but hes not been traded hes there face of the franchise. So the hell else would you guys want to trade, a declining Iginla, like honestly. If there is one guy i want the Rangers to try and aquire is MPS on Edm i think he can really improve his play on a team like NYR. I think he could become available if he struggles and gets less minutes, speaking of Edm i would like that Omark kid also.

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just because h's having trouble finding chemistry doesnt mean he's not good
Ok ill say it another way maybe he does not make players around him better as some of us thought including Rangers playerd imagined. The fact he does not handle the puck a lot and does not create space with puck protection.

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Typical Ranger Fan always thinks the grass in greener on the other side. What do you think your gonna get for any 2 of these guys. Someone most likely that is not consistent and has flaws in their game. They may be a bigger name or scored more goals but at the end of the day why are we looking to move 2 quality players one in Anisimov who has not reached his max pot for other players who if were lucky might make us better but will probably make us worse. Does not make sense.
Not saying either one gets traded. They are quality players if the rangers are looking for certain players.

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Ok first off last year was last friggen year. And when 2 of your better forwards have 1 goal each in almost 20 games you should be concerned and have a right to bring the issue up.
You said it yourself. Two of our better, more talented forwards. That they're not having a good start is an issue, but not one that should be remedied by packaging them in a trade that will inevitably be overpayment. This would set a well constructed team back by years by removing players that we don't have the depth to replace to throw up another player on the top line that isn't guaranteed to to play that much better than either of them.


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are you watching the games? i see the points and the strong play.
i expect more than 1g in 17g from our top six forwards esp. ones that
are championed with high potential in their 5th and 3rd seasons.

but hey, as long as they made the big club and wear rangers sweaters who give a flip.
I completely agree that they need to score more goals, but I don't think it's time to start a trade thread just yet, especially for two of the better players on the club; also, it's not as if they aren't providing anything. Both of them have had good seasons thus far, aside from their goal scoring. I'm more disappointed with Dubinsky than Anisimov, personally, because Dubinsky is much more important to the offense than Anisimov is, IMO. Anisimov is making $1.85M. Dubinsky makes $4.2M. Based on production/salary ratio, Anisimov has had a good start, especially when you add in his defensive capabilities. With Dubinsky...he's been solid, but he's been spotty. Some games he's looked great, some he's been completely invisible; and while I've come to expect that, you gotta step it up with the type of contract he got this season. 1 goal in 17 games for a forward being paid $4.2M is unacceptable.

That being said, they'll pick it up, IMO. Both are very streaky offensive players, and that's to be expected; by anyone with realistic expectations, of course (not singling anyone out here, just saying that anyone expecting 65-70 points from either of these players were going to be disappointed from the start). That's why they're second line players, and not first lines. they lack offensive consistency. They'll probably both end up in the 50 point range, and with the other elements they bring to the table, that's fine.

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I've never particularly had a lot of confidence in Dubinsky ever finding consistency and being anything other than a streaky 2nd liner, I wouldn't mind if they traded him, but I'm also not demanding it.

Anisimov has a good contract and has been producing quietly. He does need to shoot more though, but that's always been a problem of his.

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Love Dubi , love his effort most nights , love his attitude but just another support player being unrealistically asked to play as and for that matter being paid as a top line player . The weight of his contract seems to be affecting him . He is and should be a center . Cracking the 20 goal mark with 5 open betters and getting 4.2 M and expecting him to become a consistent 25-30 goal player could very well be unrealistic . Dubi is a great character player a great piece of the puzzle player but I think we have seen enough of him to know that a consistent goal scorer he is not . Every season he goes on 15-20 game goal droughts . Not whAt will make this team more than what they are a fringe play off team . Our " YOUTH MOVEMENT " QND prospects beside CK are DWARVES . Not sure where this franchise is going to make it to next level without a D MAN who can take over the game offensively and a couple of wingers who can score off the rush by beating you with a pure scorers touch . Dubi , CALLY , will get you 40-50 tops between them but when we fall behind and teams trap us this team lacks the top end skill to skate and pass through traps and score more than garbage goals .
Like AA and Dubi but if there was a package available for another proven sniper to get moving them and one of our D men ( with Erixon In the wings ) IMO makes this a mire balanced team skill wise

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Anisimov is fine. He needs to shoot more and maybe find a little bit more consistency. He was never projected to be the next Ovechkin or Bure anyway, so to have him being a two-way forward who can put up 50-60 points per season EVENTUALLY is fine by me.

Dubinsky however, needs to pick his game up. He's at 4 per, and 1g in 17 games is not enough. He's always been streaky, but in his 5th year he just has to be more consistent than that. I don't expect him to be a PPG player, but I do expect him to score on a regular basis and get around 60-70 points in a full season.

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Everyone focuses on the goals too much. No 1 g is not acceptable but at this rate with only one goal what is Dub s playing like a 3 mil player? He is defensively that good as a forward and is still putting up points despite the lack of goals currently. The PK work is also excellent. If he has 4 goals he'd be living up to his contract. He's not that far off and not that bad this season. He's making plays, co0ntrolling the puck, playing D, all things which we paid him for. We didn't give him 5 or 6 mil to score 25-30 goals WHILE doing all this D stuff because thats not what he is.

Ideally we'd have paid him 3 or 3.5 mil but you add in an extra mil or so for potential.

Same with Cally who also has a little more goal scoring prowess and is of course the capt.

Gabs is overpaid by 1 mil. We knew what we were getting I guess we were just outbidding teams. RIchards is overpaid in years but for now has been at his paycheck...he's not noticeable enough outside of scoring for me though.

We do not have a single overpaid defenseman.

Would a top 3 guy be the final missing piece? I think so. I think one more 40 goal 80 point guy seals the deal for us. Maybe not to win the cup but to contend. RIght now DUbs and Artie need to inject more offense into their games not to live up to their contracts but for us to contend.

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I think Anisimov will become trade bait sooner than later. Not that I don't like him, but it just makes too much sense to trade him.

Dubinsky's not going anywhere, however. Not that he's untouchable, I just don't see it. He's part of "the core" IMO.
How you figure? And who are you going to replace a very capable 2nd/3rd line, best even strengh defensive center on the team who can be moved all over the line up as needed and at the cost of less than $2 m per year and still 23 y/e and developing?

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I've said it before, but Dubinsky has no idea what kind of player he is. Everyone (including myself) calls him a power forward, but to be honest, he plays the power game about as well as Brian Boyle on most nights. I think Tortorella bouncing him back and forth between center and LW has made things difficult for him to an extent, but he needs to learn how to use his size and speed more effectively and stop trying to rely on his dangling abilities which are average at best.

If I saw the right deal come along, I would definitely consider trading Dubinsky. I would be hesitant to trade Anisimov. Big two-way centers that can pot 50 points are hard to find. Depth down the middle is how you win in this league, and I'd be more than happy to roll with Richards/Stepan/Anisimov at center for the next 10 years. For all of the people who we say "bleed blue" or "loves being a Ranger," I think Artie doesn't get enough love in that department. He genuinely loves the game, and it seems to me that he loves being on this team.

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And just for clarification, when I say "the right deal" for Dubinsky, I would mean a clear upgrade in some area. I.e. a guy like Bobby Ryan or a player of that caliber.

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