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11-22-2011, 11:12 AM
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No Gaborik on top PP unit

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#NYR working on PP this morning with top unit today consisting of: Richards & Stralman at points, Callahan, Dubinsky, Christensen up front
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I guess this basically ensures Stralman will be in the lineup tomorrow night, my guess is Woywitka sits.

Not sure what to think about this top unit though without Gaborik. Change is obviously needed to get the PP going...but sans Gaborik? That's not how I would've dealt with it.

I bet unit 2 will be "GAS" line and DZ and Girardi on the points, or Richie double-shifting.

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11-22-2011, 11:22 AM
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meh its practice......does look like Stralman is in though

agreed Woywitka sits, I guess Eminger on LD and Stralman RD?

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11-22-2011, 11:24 AM
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Why do people read anything at all into how Tortorella tries a line or D pair or PP or PK configuration when he can change it after a single period? Hell... after a single shift. Hell... something can be working perfectly and he'll still change it because his "gut" spoke to him and told him to do it. Not only is it not carved in stone, it's barely written in the sand.

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11-22-2011, 11:24 AM
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We talkin about practice?

The continued use of Christensen is nothing short of baffling to me. I am one of this dude's biggest apologizers and I do not get why Tortorella is still using him there.

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11-22-2011, 11:27 AM
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Why not try something different? With a PP as bad as we have right now, how could anyone have a problem with shaking things up? Splitting up Gabby and Richards on regular lines provided a nice jump start to the offense, so this could have the exact same affect.

Another thing to consider is that when you have your three or four best offensive players out on a PP unit, the tendency is to ride them for a longer shift than usual, and then by the time the second unit comes out they only have 30-40 seconds to do something. Now if Richards' unit isn't clicking for the first shift, get them off and let Gabby's unit see what they can do.

It's worth a shot; nothing else has worked.

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11-22-2011, 11:34 AM
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Still not enough movement and Gaborik is part of that problem. He is way too stationary on the PP. When I watch great PP players like Stamkos or Selanne I see that they never stop skating, even if it's just little twitchy movements or just skating in a tiny circle. If you can throw off the PK's angles by just a couple of inches you can find a lane.

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11-22-2011, 11:38 AM
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How one can tell 1st PP unit from 2nd?. Torts wants 2 top lines, thus 2 PP units, does he not? Stralman should play tomorrow simply because when else... Dubi sucks, but still better than Feds or Avery. 2nd unit it is.

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11-22-2011, 11:39 AM
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Still, the biggest problem is the lack of shots.

Throw the puck on net... the key here is on net.

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I want a guy with a shooters mentality and for some reason Gaborik changes his mindset when he gets on the PP as he also passes to much.

This team as a whole is un-selfish to a fault when it comes to the PP.

You miss all the shots you don't take.

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11-22-2011, 11:45 AM
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Still, the biggest problem is the lack of shots.

Throw the puck on net... the key here is on net.
i disagree with you here, at least in regards to the powerplay

what they need to do is pass and move more precisiely in order to shoot the puck more effectively....which is significantly different than shooting more

illadivesed and poorly timed shots on the powerplay can be extremely costsly in terms of puck possesion. You dont need to look further for evidence than the end of Renny's tenure and the slew of shorthanded goals given up as a result of poor shooting decisions that bounced free for breakaways and odd man rushes

on the powerplay, we need better puck control and passing which will in turn lead to more quality shots

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I want a guy with a shooters mentality and for some reason Gaborik changes his mindset when he gets on the PP as he also passes to much.

This team as a whole is un-selfish to a fault when it comes to the PP.

You miss all the shots you don't take.
You spend so much effort to set up and now you want just shoot? What if your shot is blocked and the puck is turned over as a result? It's a game, anything could happen if shot is blocked and puck is turned over, including breakaway and shorthanded goal. Will your coach forgive you for that? I doubt Torts will do it. So it is better to pass, not to shoot. Or you may be reprimanded. Keep it simple. Gtaborik or not.
That is how disciplinarians kill the creativity. We will continue to be what we are. Little shots on goal is a part of this team identity. It is right next to "hard work".

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11-22-2011, 12:21 PM
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I love John Tortorella. Continues to read my mind. Only thing I'd fault him with this season is sending Avery down.

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Christensen over Gaborik? Dubinsky over Gaborik?

Laughable.

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11-22-2011, 12:34 PM
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Christensen over Gaborik? Dubinsky over Gaborik?

Laughable.
Gaborik is useless on the 5 on 4 and a complete and utter detriment on the 5 on 3. Not bad...uterrly useless. Status don't equal effectiveness.

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11-22-2011, 12:37 PM
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Gaborik is useless on the 5 on 4 and a complete and utter detriment on the 5 on 3. Not bad...uterrly useless. Status don't equal effectiveness.
We get it, you dont like Gaborik. Its a ridiculous stance, and the statement above is equally useless when it comes to, by far, this team's best finisher - but you're entitled to it I guess.

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Christensen over Gaborik? Dubinsky over Gaborik?

Laughable.
It's laughable to spread out your offensive weapons? It's laughable to try to change things when they're working.

The only thing that would be laughable is sticking with the same formula that has led to the 4th worst PP unit in the league.

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Gaborik is useless on the 5 on 4 and a complete and utter detriment on the 5 on 3. Not bad...uterrly useless. Status don't equal effectiveness.
they don't really put him in a place to succeed either. Play him on the off wing. Seeing him on the left point pains me.

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It's laughable to spread out your offensive weapons? It's laughable to try to change things when they're working.

The only thing that would be laughable is sticking with the same formula that has led to the 4th worst PP unit in the league.
If Christensen is one of your "offensive weapons", that in itself is laughable.

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If Christensen is one of your "offensive weapons", that in itself if laughable.
the fact that he is still on the team is mind boggling.
Christensen is the definition of an Top six or AHL player. If he is top six it better be a really really bad team.
-Average to below average defensively
-Extremely inconsistent
-Flashes of offensive skill
-can't play top six on a good or average, or below average team
-too soft to play bottom six

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11-22-2011, 12:48 PM
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If Christensen is one of your "offensive weapons", that in itself is laughable.
This is where I have a problem with the folks saying Gaborik is "useless" on the powerplay, or that things need to be "shaken up."

Look at the alternatives for a second - this is not a deep team when it comes to skill.

Go ahead and change things up - change the strategy, change the positions, but for God's sake what does changing the personnel do when Erik Christensen is your next option?

Oh right, thats Torts' answer to everything and anything that goes wrong.

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has anyone, even for a second, thought that maybe...just maybe, torts wants to keep the trio of Stepan, AA, and Gabby together for the PP, and that they would be the 1st unit?

no, no, it cant be!


AA - Stepan - Gabby

MDZ & Girardi

isnt it possible that THAT is the 1st unit, and that the unit that was practicing will be the SECOND unit? seems like only the OP even thought about that...everyone else just sorta freaking out. typical day on the Rangers board.

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has anyone, even for a second, thought that maybe...just maybe, torts wants to keep the trio of Stepan, AA, and Gabby together for the PP, and that they would be the 1st unit?

no, no, it cant be!


AA - Stepan - Gabby

MDZ & Girardi

isnt it possible that THAT is the 1st unit, and that the unit that was practicing will be the SECOND unit? seems like only the OP even thought about that...everyone else just sorta freaking out. typical day on the Rangers board.
Thats an optimistic thought, but Torts loves Callahan and Richards...they will probably start. Either way if they 1/2 the time between the two, its not the worst thing in the world. My only issue is Christensen being there. This is where Wolski will help when he comes back.

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We just need to trade EC to the Fishsticks, he would love the quiet Island

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11-22-2011, 01:05 PM
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Gaborik hasn't had a nice rip on the PP since October 26, 2009. No need to overthink this. Torts is just going by what he sees.

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It's either Boyle or EC with that unit. I'll take EC.

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