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11-22-2011, 01:08 PM
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CBJ and LAK (b l o c k b u s t e r)

to LAK:
Nash+CBJ 1st+CBJ 3rd

to CBJ:
Doughty+Bernier

I won't go into rationale for both teams like I did on jackets board unless there is a terrible reception and I have to defend myself



stripped down the original proposal as i think the first one suffered from my suspect understanding of the kings' needs.


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11-22-2011, 01:11 PM
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Not quite sure why the Kings would ever want to do something like that.

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I think you messed up because I read Doughty? Just take him out and you got a deal

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"if CBJ 1st is outside top 5" BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHA you guys have about as much chance of being out of the top 5 as you do of winning the cup.


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to LAK:
Nash+Sanford+Savard+CBJ 1st+CBJ 3rd (conditional; if CBJ 1st is outside top 5)

to CBJ:
Doughty+Bernier+LA 1st

Sanford is a place-holder and any jackets goalie that the kings like could take his place

I won't go into rationale for both teams like I did on jackets board unless there is a terrible reception and I have to defend myself

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11-22-2011, 01:14 PM
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horrible deal for LA.

Best part is the conditional 1st

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Not quite sure why the Kings would ever want to do something like that.
they get Rick Nash, they get one of our best d prospects, they get a pick that right now is #1 overall and is "protected" to be top 5 or they get another pick in a good draft year.

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11-22-2011, 01:16 PM
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horrible deal for LA.

Best part is the conditional 1st
It isn't a conditional first.. lern to reed gudder.

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11-22-2011, 01:17 PM
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to LAK:
Nash+Sanford+Savard+CBJ 1st+CBJ 3rd (conditional; if CBJ 1st is outside top 5)

to CBJ:
Doughty+Bernier+LA 1st

Sanford is a place-holder and any jackets goalie that the kings like could take his place

I won't go into rationale for both teams like I did on jackets board unless there is a terrible reception and I have to defend myself
NO!!! Bernier is not so good minimum it is not certain for it now. And Doughty? I do not like him if differnecial I prefer Suter.

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11-22-2011, 01:20 PM
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deal breaks down to

Nash+CBJ 1st for Doughty+LA 1st (and another pick if jackets pick doesn't end up top 5)
CBJ goalie+Savard for Bernier

is value really laughably off? interesting.

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they get Rick Nash, they get one of our best d prospects, they get a pick that right now is #1 overall and is "protected" to be top 5 or they get another pick in a good draft year.
Has a 1st round ever been "protected" in an actual NHL trade? I mean, we see it in proposals on this board all the time but has there ever been such a precedent set in reality?

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to LAK:
Nash+Sanford+Savard+CBJ 1st+CBJ 3rd (conditional; if CBJ 1st is outside top 5)

to CBJ:
Doughty+Bernier+LA 1st

Sanford is a place-holder and any jackets goalie that the kings like could take his place

I won't go into rationale for both teams like I did on jackets board unless there is a terrible reception and I have to defend myself
Why does everybody think that high calibre teams are so willing to just trade superstar players? Doughty is going to be a King for a loooong time.

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11-22-2011, 01:22 PM
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Has a 1st round ever been "protected" in an actual NHL trade? I mean, we see it in proposals on this board all the time but has there ever been such a precedent set in reality?
Just last year, the Blues 1st round pick in the Stewart-Johnson trade was top-10 protected.

To the best of my knowledge, it has never been guaranteed like it is in this proposal though.

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11-22-2011, 01:22 PM
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NO!!! Bernier is not so good minimum it is not certain for it now. And Doughty? I do not like him if differnecial I prefer Suter.
Bernier isn't proven, but he isn't bad either mt!
and I value doughty more than suter.

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Has a 1st round ever been "protected" in an actual NHL trade? I mean, we see it in proposals on this board all the time but has there ever been such a precedent set in reality?
yes last year ST.louis protected there pick they traded to Colorado if it was in top 10 then colorado got next years 1st but the pick eneded up 11th overall

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LA gives up way too much. Columbus really can't afford to get Doughty. They would probably have to give up Nash, Johansen and something else nice.

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Bernier isn't proven, but he isn't bad either mt!
and I value doughty more than suter.
Suter is better than Doughty.

Why Bernier? To be the second Steve Mason?

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11-22-2011, 01:27 PM
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Why does everybody think that high calibre teams are so willing to just trade superstar players? Doughty is going to be a King for a loooong time.
I don't see the kings as high calibre and I don't see doughty as a superstar.. he is a star who has potential to be a superstar, though.

I dont think that any of this is relevant in a hypotheical forum whose purpose is to remedy boredom by throwing out offers like the one above that would never happen for many reasons. Nash wouldn't be moved by this organization unless he asked so in reality and not candyland, it is a non-starter at nash. fortunately for me.. and by extension this proposal.. we are in hf land.

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I suppose it approaches something resembling fair value. That said, I'm really not interested and I doubt LA would be either.

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man i feel bad for the jackets. this wont get doughty... lol

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Suter is better than Doughty.

Why Bernier? To be the second Steve Mason?
better and more valuable to a franchise aren't the same thing.
Bernier is at worst an upgrade over mason.

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Without commenting on the proposal it seems like people are reading this as a protected pick. It is not, if I'm understanding it correctly. LA would get the 1st no matter what, but a 3rd round pick in addition if it falls outside top 5.

My suggestion would be either wait to pull this deal until the draft pick is known (offseason), or change the conditional pick so that it + the 1st rounder = top-5 pick. There are a few draft pick charts floating around for this.

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deal breaks down to

Nash+CBJ 1st for Doughty+LA 1st (and another pick if jackets pick doesn't end up top 5)
CBJ goalie+Savard for Bernier

is value really laughably off? interesting.
The problem is that the kings have 2 or 3 defenceman ahead of savard, Hicky, Voynov, Martinez and one can argue Muzzin. LA has a log jam of defence, adding savard doens't do anything that their other defence can't.

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Has a 1st round ever been "protected" in an actual NHL trade? I mean, we see it in proposals on this board all the time but has there ever been such a precedent set in reality?
Blues 1st to Colorado was top 10 protected last season.

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better and more valuable to a franchise aren't the same thing.
Bernier is at worst an upgrade over mason.
Maybe Suter is not so good in offense but he is better in defense. And Bernier... ? We can keep Sanford and get another goalie for example Karlsson for Brassard (pickon both sides) and not Bernier... I do not believe him.

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Without commenting on the proposal it seems like people are reading this as a protected pick. It is not, if I'm understanding it correctly. LA would get the 1st no matter what, but a 3rd round pick in addition if it falls outside top 5.

My suggestion would be either wait to pull this deal until the draft pick is known (offseason), or change the conditional pick so that it + the 1st rounder = top-5 pick. There are a few draft pick charts floating around for this.
thank you for clarifying.. i thought that was more legible.

right now LA would be getting Nash, goalie back, one of jackets best d prospects, and the first overall pick. If that pick fell outside the top 5, then LA would get another pick ON TOP of the aformentioned pieces.

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