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11-22-2011, 09:37 PM
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Don't look now, but the Kings are in 4th, only 2 points out of 1st in the conference. They must be elite!...for today. Lose tomorrow, season over, team overrated. It only matters if the Kings win or lose. Unless they don't destroy a team, then the context in which they win a game matters, not just the simple W or L. Unless they lose, then none of the if's matter, all that matters is that they lost.

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11-22-2011, 09:37 PM
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Since Moreau and Richardson didnt get suspensions earlier in the season. I imagine the league will pretend the kings dont exist and wont suspend Doughty either, which is a shame, since DD44 would probably have played better
Thats what I was thinking, but then you got the fact that its National Broadcast, plus JR/Mcguire are harping on it.

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11-22-2011, 09:39 PM
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I am so glad we were able to fight back and win that game. The announcers jerking the Blues off the entire game made our victory that much better.

I still can't believe that we have both Kopi and Richards on this team. They are amazing. JB also had some great saves that kept us in it. As for Doughty, I don't think he should get suspended. TJ fell awkwardly and made the hit seem much worse than it really was.

On to Dallas!

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11-22-2011, 09:40 PM
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Announcers lobbied hard for a suspension. (Didn't look that bad to me.) They also sounded depressed to announce the Kings' victory.

All I know is, seeing Kopi and Richards both sliding to block that point shot...man, that's on-ice leadership right there. We need to clone those guys.
I don't know, Brian Engblom is a former King...I didn't get that at all, which announcers are you talking about?

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11-22-2011, 09:43 PM
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Let me explain it to you then - the Kings are not playing anywhere near their potential. You can't depend on the better teams making those kind of bonehead mistakes to gift wrap a game like that for you.

If the Kings are going to go ANYWHERE this season, they are going to have to play MUCH closer to their potential. If they played a really good team, they would have been buried after that really poor 1st period.

I'm not just watching this team and expecting them to do OK - they have the potential to be something really special. Every game they play like this allows them to depend on luck rather than skill - and that luck will be less and less evident as they play better teams.

I'm happy for you if you're satisfied with a mediocre performance at best so long as they win - my bar is set MUCH higher than that. Watching a team for 38 years will do that to you. Obviously I'd rather that they don't lose, but for the long term progress, I'd rather see them totally outplay other teams, but lose the occasional game due to bad bounces because I KNOW that those bad bounces won't always be around.

A good team will overcome those bad bounces and excel in the end.
You're a silly boy.

Kings could win 10 stanley cups in a row and you'll find a reason to remain a pessimist.

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11-22-2011, 09:45 PM
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For the past 5-7 years Kings have been mostly an afterthought, so I am loving the hate they are now getting on the main boards. You know you are starting to be respected and taken seriously when the main boards start to hate on you constantly...

Nice win, Kings are not playing to potential just now, but all to often over the past decade this team has peaked in October/November/December/January, hopefully this team can keep playing well while building towards playing their best hockey in April/May/June.

I have no doubt that the Kings will be acquiring some depth at the deadline, the bottom 6 is simply not good enough right now. Till then for the love of god play only one of Hunter/Moreau, they need a speedster to mix it up (Richardson/Lewis).

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11-22-2011, 09:46 PM
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Don't look now, but the Kings are in 4th, only 2 points out of 1st in the conference. They must be elite!...for today. Lose tomorrow, season over, team overrated. It only matters if the Kings win or lose. Unless they don't destroy a team, then the context in which they win a game matters, not just the simple W or L. Unless they lose, then none of the if's matter, all that matters is that they lost.
What's amazing to me is that we are only 20 games in and of course these moves from 7th to 1st takes place...but the reality is that some games count as three points and some as two, and it really stacks the teams up like playing cards in a deck, as opposed to past seasons when you had real separation from the haves and the have-nots.

The last three seasons in the West (I am counting this one also) have been tight. All the teams are good, but I really believe its more indicative of the 3-point games, and as the last two seasons have wound down, we have seen A LOT of these as well. Teams want at least 1 point and they tend to slow the games down to get it at the end.

The solution? Just keep winning conference games in regulation. That will really tell the tale about who is elite and who isn't.

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11-22-2011, 09:47 PM
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Oh cry me a river Versus. Poor poor Blues.
No kidding.They sounded bummed that the new Hitchcock Blues lost, and felt sorry for Jackman and his 2 turnovers "It will be ok buddy" was the only thing missing.

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11-22-2011, 09:54 PM
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Kings could win 10 stanley cups in a row and you'll find a reason to remain a pessimist.
That would be something...all I want is one, thank you.

(I mean, for right now. If they win this year, I will want the 2nd next year, of course.)

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11-22-2011, 09:56 PM
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No kidding.They sounded bummed that the new Hitchcock Blues lost, and felt sorry for Jackman and his 2 turnovers "It will be ok buddy" was the only thing missing.
They got a surge with the coaching change but the Blues are not a playoff team and they will fade soon.

Just as soon as Anaheim picks themselves out of the basement...a team that talented and losing 100 in a row like they have (or seems like it), I am just shaking my head right now.

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11-22-2011, 10:06 PM
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Best part IMO

I don't care how they get them anymore. I'm sick of overanalyzing and I'm just happy with a win in an emotional game.

That being said, man, I can't wait for Doughty to mature a bit. Soooo undisciplined. He knows he can do whatever the **** he wants without being accountable to anyone.
He should have been benched in the first period a few games back when he took a stupid penalty putting the Kings down two men.

I missed the game tonight. Is Murray still the worst coach in the NHL?

I bet the Kings dominated the dot-to-board play.

Nice to see Loktionov pick up another assist.

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11-22-2011, 10:10 PM
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Don't look now, but the Kings are in 4th, only 2 points out of 1st in the conference. They must be elite!...for today. Lose tomorrow, season over, team overrated. It only matters if the Kings win or lose. Unless they don't destroy a team, then the context in which they win a game matters, not just the simple W or L. Unless they lose, then none of the if's matter, all that matters is that they lost.
That's pretty much the crux of it. The Negatisits are getting a bit ridiculous.

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11-22-2011, 10:13 PM
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That's pretty much the crux of it. The Negatisits are getting a bit ridiculous.
Feed'em to Mr. Wu's pigs Al!

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11-22-2011, 10:15 PM
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He should have been benched in the first period a few games back when he took a stupid penalty putting the Kings down two men.

I missed the game tonight. Is Murray still the worst coach in the NHL?

I bet the Kings dominated the dot-to-board play.

Nice to see Loktionov pick up another assist.
Murray was never the worst, just not the coach for the next level.

Kings didn't dominate anything.

Two gift turnovers by Jackman to the best playmakers on the Kings for the win. First one to Richards for a nice pass to Kopitar for a PP tap in.

Second turnover to Loktionov, nice pass to Richards for the one legged one-timer goal.

Mitchell with a patented Murray lucky bounce goal from the point.

Kings now 8-0 when scoring 3+ goals.

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11-22-2011, 10:17 PM
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Not pretty at all, but about what I expected. The Blues had points in 7 of their last 8 coming in and have been playing really well for the last couple weeks.

Say what you want about luck, but the Kings forecheck tonight caused those turnovers. Pressure a team enough and that's going to happen.

Results are the bottom line, and they found a way to win on the road against one of the best home teams in the NHL.

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[QUOTE=KINGS17;39830197]He should have been benched in the first period a few games back when he took a stupid penalty putting the Kings down two men.

I missed the game tonight. Is Murray still the worst coach in the NHL?

I bet the Kings dominated the dot-to-board play.

Nice to see Loktionov pick up another assist.[/QUOTE]

Yeah and just how smart is this guy? He picks up the turnover sees he has Brown wide open on his left and a less open Richards in the slot. He's thinking -- pass to my captain? or I really do want to stay up here. Smart boy indeed.

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That's pretty much the crux of it. The Negatisits are getting a bit ridiculous.
You mean the ones that want the Kings to average 3 goals per game?

Kings 8-0 when scoring at least 3 goals.

Yeah, it's terrible to want success for the Kings.

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11-22-2011, 10:23 PM
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I missed the game tonight. Is Murray still the worst coach in the NHL?
I'll let you make the call...

Hunter on the PP?

Loktionov on the 4th line?

Richardson and Lewis scratched against a fast team?

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11-22-2011, 10:24 PM
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They should have THRASHED this team. [/QUOTE]

You do realize that the blues were missing their entire first line tonight with Perron-McDonald-Stewart. This team is one of the bests. Just watch when they get their first line and powerplay unit back.

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I'll let you make the call...

Hunter on the PP?

Loktionov on the 4th line?

Richardson and Lewis scratched against a fast team?
You are a real gem, PSP. Thank you.

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I'll let you make the call...

Hunter on the PP?

Loktionov on the 4th line?

Richardson and Lewis scratched against a fast team?
I almost blew a gasket when Hunter was out there again. He's passable as a checker, but he's way out of his element on the pp.

On a side note, I loved the way DD played tonight. He's getting the cockiness and swagger back that he had before. Yea, he put too much on that check at the end, but otherwise he was great for most of the night. Very physical and quick with the puck.

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You mean the ones that want the Kings to average 3 goals per game?

Kings 8-0 when scoring at least 3 goals.

Yeah, it's terrible to want success for the Kings.
Ease up, I don't count you among the enemies. You have valid points. You I can take seriously.

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11-22-2011, 10:29 PM
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The Kings deserved the lucky bounces to go their way tonight, after the way the Blues got all the luck against the Kings every game last season.

That Richards trade was one of the best GM moves in the history of the Kings. I'm serious. With continued stellar no-nonsense play like Richards gave the Kings tonight, he will definitely be a difference maker in the Kings going further this season.

Bernier had at least 4 outrageously good saves tonight, so he helped the Kings make their own luck in this game.

I still want to see Quick vs the Stars. This is the best Kings goaltending tandem in my memory which goes back a long time.

Voynov -- really, really good tonight. I like Martinez a lot, but I'm starting to like Voynov more.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Doughty suspended for a game. That's not the kind of play he should be making with 1.5 seconds left.

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11-22-2011, 10:44 PM
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I am so sick of all the petty bickering amongst us King fans. Enough is enough. Take a roll call of all of the great posters who aren't here any longer and you will see what happens when that type of petty garbage comes in.

We are all fans of the same team. ALL OF US.

Its fine to have differing opinions of how things should go and what seems right or wrong and great to debate them with each other. I am happy that I have friends here who see things differently then I do and only come back when I do to keep up with what everyone is saying both the good and the different.

Lets let the bullcarp name calling and categorizing go by the way side. We are all better than that.

I think that anything that happens on the ice with this team has little to do with TM any longer. I have felt this way for awhile now and given my reasons but I also believe that we are a great team over loaded with seriously talented depth at most positions and that we might be able to win the cup regardless of our head coach.

I also believe that TM has a staff that is good enough to have a positive impact and that they might keep us on track well enough to get us to the promised land.

Anyone who disagrees with me that is a King fan is equally right in my opinion and I am happy to in fun and good intent debate our differences anytime.

Anyone else well, we are all Kings fans and here to share or love thoughts good and otherwise about this team we love. Lets at least all respect each other.

You can have an opinion and still love a win or hate a loss even if it goes against what you believe to be happening with the team. This petty "we won (or lost) so you must be angry (or happy etc) is just nonsense and bull.

So baby please, give a little respect to each other.

Meh

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11-22-2011, 10:49 PM
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Let me explain it to you then - the Kings are not playing anywhere near their potential. You can't depend on the better teams making those kind of bonehead mistakes to gift wrap a game like that for you.

If the Kings are going to go ANYWHERE this season, they are going to have to play MUCH closer to their potential. If they played a really good team, they would have been buried after that really poor 1st period.

I'm not just watching this team and expecting them to do OK - they have the potential to be something really special. Every game they play like this allows them to depend on luck rather than skill - and that luck will be less and less evident as they play better teams.

I'm happy for you if you're satisfied with a mediocre performance at best so long as they win - my bar is set MUCH higher than that. Watching a team for 38 years will do that to you. Obviously I'd rather that they don't lose, but for the long term progress, I'd rather see them totally outplay other teams, but lose the occasional game due to bad bounces because I KNOW that those bad bounces won't always be around.

A good team will overcome those bad bounces and excel in the end.
Well hey I've been following this team for 25 years and, while I occasionally agree with some of your thoughts, I think much of your negativity is a little overly dramatic. It seems like alot of times you are just trying to live up to your tagline and I agree with the other poster who thought it seemed like you got more satisfaction from losses than wins.

Nobody here knows how this team will be playing come playoff time, including yourself. I know there is nothing I can say to cheer you up and while I find your posts interesting, they often frustrate me. I think alot of folks around here know that this team is still capable of playing well in big games, but we might not QUITE be ready yet. Each season has been slightly better than the last and there is no indication that this season won't follow suit.

I thought the boys got another timely goal late in the game and earned tonights victory. Hopefully another two points tommorow.

GO KINGS!

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