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11-20-2011, 09:47 PM
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Renney screwed Paajarvi over hard yesterday playing him with Belanger and Eager.
Paajarvi needs to prove he can produce, what has he done to deserve offensive ice time?

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Paajarvi needs to prove he can produce, what has he done to deserve offensive ice time?
What has Gagner done to deserve offensive ice time this season?

It's been between Eager and Gagner for the worst forward on our team and Renney rewards Gagner by playing him more than any other forward last night.

"Showing you can produce" obviously has nothing to do with Renney's decision to give Paajarvi 10-12 minutes a night.

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11-21-2011, 01:18 AM
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What has Gagner done to deserve offensive ice time this season?
He's generated more east-west scoring chances in the last 4 games than Paajarvi has any scoring chances all season long.

Gagner is struggling, but he's playing better hockey than Paajarvi and doesn't quite kill chances like Magnus is.

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He's generated more east-west scoring chances in the last 4 games than Paajarvi has any scoring chances all season long.

Gagner is struggling, but he's playing better hockey than Paajarvi and doesn't quite kill chances like Magnus is.
East/West scoring chances?


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11-21-2011, 02:12 AM
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He's generated more east-west scoring chances in the last 4 games than Paajarvi has any scoring chances all season long.

Gagner is struggling, but he's playing better hockey than Paajarvi and doesn't quite kill chances like Magnus is.
Hence his how many goals? The fact that this is even a discussion when one of the players is going through the mother of all sophomore slumps tells you all that you need to know about Gagner's play this year.

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11-21-2011, 03:30 AM
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After tonight's game, it should be Austin/Vince. Emphatic performance by Hall.


Wait a minute....


if RNH is the cobra....


is Hall....


the rattlesnake?


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11-22-2011, 12:04 AM
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Maggie is definitely living up to his name! When will we see Magnum?!?

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11-22-2011, 05:39 AM
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Paajarvi is clearly in a form slump but he never had the talent to be a superstar in the first place.
I never seen a player being so overated as him the oilerboard. I saw almost all of his games in Timrå and even there he didnt dominate. He was good and he can be a great nhlplayer but he will never get 1ppg in his carrer. Maybe like 50-60 points when he is at his peak and gets tons of icetime in the first line. But that will never happend in oilers.

He needs ice time. If he cant get in the nhl he should get it in AHL. And he is an offensive player and should get icetime with the first/second line, not with belanger and Eager.

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11-22-2011, 06:05 AM
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Lander-belanger-petrell
Lol when you look at these four lines listed here, minus a couple players on the fourth line, you would wonder how this team isn't a buy for the playoff's.

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11-22-2011, 12:45 PM
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Paajarvi is clearly in a form slump but he never had the talent to be a superstar in the first place.
I never seen a player being so overated as him the oilerboard. I saw almost all of his games in Timrå and even there he didnt dominate. He was good and he can be a great nhlplayer but he will never get 1ppg in his carrer. Maybe like 50-60 points when he is at his peak and gets tons of icetime in the first line. But that will never happend in oilers.

He needs ice time. If he cant get in the nhl he should get it in AHL. And he is an offensive player and should get icetime with the first/second line, not with belanger and Eager.
I said this many times before last season. I didnt get the mps hype at all. I think it was kinda overplayed by the organisation with all the eberle, hall and mps talk. MPS always stroke me as a player that when he looks good he looks amazing. However he looks amazing way to rarely to be a top2 line player. Atleast for now.
I think if in a few years he is able to bring it all together he can be a ppg player. However he isnt going to achive that playing fourth line duty, he is better off in okc developing.

I also said that i thought Lander out of the two was more nhl ready and adept to his role than MPS. I think alot of people is starting to see this now. MPS needs to mature his game on way to many levels to be in the nhl. I said he was rushed last year and i still think he is. I only watched so so many timra games their last season together (due to being a lulea fan, but wouldnt you agree?)

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11-22-2011, 01:08 PM
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What has Gagner done to deserve offensive ice time this season?

It's been between Eager and Gagner for the worst forward on our team and Renney rewards Gagner by playing him more than any other forward last night.

"Showing you can produce" obviously has nothing to do with Renney's decision to give Paajarvi 10-12 minutes a night.
Well gagner's a centre and pajaarvi is a winger. Which wingers has Maggie outplayed? Its arguable that gagner has outplayed Belanger but gags is more suitable to his line than belanger would be. You also have to remember that gagner just came off multiple injuries and has played less games than pajaarvi this season. I'm not a fan of either player this season but atleast gagner doesn't do the same ineffective play every time he's on the ice. Pajaarvi streaks in on the wings, "thinks" about crashing th net, decides that would be too scary and let's a weak wrister off from the side boards.

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11-22-2011, 01:35 PM
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Well gagner's a centre and pajaarvi is a winger. Which wingers has Maggie outplayed? Its arguable that gagner has outplayed Belanger but gags is more suitable to his line than belanger would be. You also have to remember that gagner just came off multiple injuries and has played less games than pajaarvi this season. I'm not a fan of either player this season but atleast gagner doesn't do the same ineffective play every time he's on the ice. Pajaarvi streaks in on the wings, "thinks" about crashing th net, decides that would be too scary and let's a weak wrister off from the side boards.
Agreed. I would actually prefer for Renney to tell PRV not to bother about his offense for now. Put him on the 4th line with Lander (I liked how they played in during the preseason) +1 and tell him to focus on 4th line duties for a while. I think it could be good for him to get the "points", or lach there-of, out of his mind for a while and if we are to keep him up, why not let him work on his defensive game. When/if the points start coming just move him up.

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i've said it before and i stand by it still.... paajarvi looks to be a very close comparable to radek dvorak... a guy who will likely be a defensively responsible 3rd line winger, who can *occasionally* play in your top-6 if you have injuries or you want a more defensive guy in that position... he simply doesn't have the offensive ability to be a regular in your top-6

don't get me wrong, i'm a big fan of paajarvi, i think he'll be a very useful player.... i don't even really think he's been playing that bad to be honest, he's been pretty good defensively (as his chances for/against and fenwick will show)... people just expect way, way too much of the kid... he's never gonna be that consistent 20 goal guy that many people want him to be

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11-23-2011, 02:05 AM
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i've said it before and i stand by it still.... paajarvi looks to be a very close comparable to radek dvorak... a guy who will likely be a defensively responsible 3rd line winger, who can *occasionally* play in your top-6 if you have injuries or you want a more defensive guy in that position... he simply doesn't have the offensive ability to be a regular in your top-6

don't get me wrong, i'm a big fan of paajarvi, i think he'll be a very useful player.... i don't even really think he's been playing that bad to be honest, he's been pretty good defensively (as his chances for/against and fenwick will show)... people just expect way, way too much of the kid... he's never gonna be that consistent 20 goal guy that many people want him to be
That may be true but I still hold out hope that he can be a 50-60 point winger with elite defensive play.

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i've said it before and i stand by it still.... paajarvi looks to be a very close comparable to radek dvorak... a guy who will likely be a defensively responsible 3rd line winger, who can *occasionally* play in your top-6 if you have injuries or you want a more defensive guy in that position... he simply doesn't have the offensive ability to be a regular in your top-6

don't get me wrong, i'm a big fan of paajarvi, i think he'll be a very useful player.... i don't even really think he's been playing that bad to be honest, he's been pretty good defensively (as his chances for/against and fenwick will show)... people just expect way, way too much of the kid... he's never gonna be that consistent 20 goal guy that many people want him to be
I agree completely with the first part. Only thing I'd add at the end is "at this stage in his career".

Of course I can't see into the future but then again neither can you. I definitely think he will become a consistent 20 goal guy but I hope he'll become a 30 goal guy in the end.

I would look at Loui Eriksson as a comparison. Same body structure, same percieved strengths although PRV considered stronger, relatively high pick (Loui 33rd), both considered great talents in SWE and both ready to come over to NHL to fight for a position in their first year after the draft. Furthermore Loui, didn't dominate the SEL at all, PRV actually did a bit better but also didn't dominate, anyway their pre-NHL experience is comparable. Eriksson spent 1st and part of 2nd season in AHL. 2nd season he put up 6 goals in 59 games (8 g/season pace), 3rd season 14 goals over 69 games (16-17 g/season pace). From his 4th season onwards he 'has been'/'is' an average 30 goal guy (consistently top 3 amongst goal scoreres in Dallas, and no, brad richards leaving doesn't seem to have affected him so much since he is on pace for 37 goals this season so far).

Oh, and there were many in NA, and in Sweden by the way, who claimed the very same things you are suggesting in your post (i.e. good defensively but not really able to be the goal scorer people were expecting).

Fact is that it normally takes a while for even the most talented Swedes to become consistent in the NHL... Don't worry about PRV. He'll most probably be just fine. Lucky for us that we have time to give him at the moment seeing how the other kids are ripping it


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