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11-23-2011, 04:45 AM
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2011-12 Montreal Canadiens...What is our Identity?

Hey guys, honest question here (no bashing of JM, PG or the players) but I was thinking about the team we have right now. I just can't seem to find a way to describe our identity? I remember when Cammy and Gio first came here and they said it was important to build a identity for a team with 13 new players. 3 years later, and I'm not sure if we have one yet? Remember our team in 07-08, we had that dominant PP and that was our identity. You can hit us and play dirty to us but we'll out sake you and score at least 2 PP goals on you and the game would be over.

We know the Bruins are big and physical, the Penguins are deep down the middle, Washington used to be fire-wagon hockey. But what are we? Some games we win 2-1,1-0, some we win 4-0, some games we lose 1-0, 2-1, some games we lose 5-3, 6-4.

So what is the identity of the current Canadiens?

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11-23-2011, 05:11 AM
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We are Tomas Plekanec 2 way hockey talented speedy not overly physical.

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Hey guys, honest question here (no bashing of JM, PG or the players) but I was thinking about the team we have right now. I just can't seem to find a way to describe our identity? I remember when Cammy and Gio first came here and they said it was important to build a identity for a team with 13 new players. 3 years later, and I'm not sure if we have one yet? Remember our team in 07-08, we had that dominant PP and that was our identity. You can hit us and play dirty to us but we'll out sake you and score at least 2 PP goals on you and the game would be over.

We know the Bruins are big and physical, the Penguins are deep down the middle, Washington used to be fire-wagon hockey. But what are we? Some games we win 2-1,1-0, some we win 4-0, some games we lose 1-0, 2-1, some games we lose 5-3, 6-4.

So what is the identity of the current Canadiens?
A friend of mine who is a Leaf fan reluctantly watched a Habs game with me (he is NOT a fan) because it was the only game on TV . He's really not informed about what's going on with the team.

After about a period he gave his first comment - "holy f__k they're fast".

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A friend of mine who is a Leaf fan reluctantly watched a Habs game with me (he is NOT a fan) because it was the only game on TV . He's really not informed about what's going on with the team.

After about a period he gave his first comment - "holy f__k they're fast".
While we do often have an edge in pure speed or acceleration, I don't believe we are THAT naturally faster than other teams. We just play a very strong positional system that gives us a strong edge in puck battle, transition play or intra-zone passing.

This kind of system really makes the other team stand out as slow or lazy

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Jacques Martion is the personification of our club.

We are ultra-conservative, robotic in our efficiency, and fundamentally sound.


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11-23-2011, 08:23 AM
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Jacques Martion is the personification of our club.

We are ultra-conservative, robotic in our efficiency, and fundamentally sound.

You realize that in every single competition business, "robotic efficiency" and "fundamentally sound" would be an EXCELLENT thing to have?


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While we do often have an edge in pure speed or acceleration, I don't believe we are THAT naturally faster than other teams. We just play a very strong positional system that gives us a strong edge in puck battle, transition play or intra-zone passing.

This kind of system really makes the other team stand out as slow or lazy
Actually we are. Plek, gio, gomez, maxpac, cole, eller, even ak, weber, pk, diaz, are all pretty fast. They wont win a speed competition but they are quick, and agile.

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You realize that in every single competition business, "robotic efficiency" and "fundamentally sound" would be an EXCELLENT thing to have?
In the entertainment industry? Arts? The theater?

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Our identity this season is that of a non-playoff team.


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In the entertainment industry? Arts? The theater?
yeah, you're right. it's best to **** up once in a while, it's more entertaining that way

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You realize that in every single competition business, "robotic efficiency" and "fundamentally sound" would be an EXCELLENT thing to have?
I disagree... in the entertainment business maybe those things aren't qualities.


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In the entertainment industry? Arts? The theater?
I did say "competitive".

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1. Play sound positional defense
2. Counter-attack offense
3. Timely scoring
4. Strong special teams (though the PP is struggling)
5. Goaltending

I'd say this is the Habs identity...not very fan friendly, but when operating at full strength, it's effective hockey.

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In the entertainment industry? Arts? The theater?
Dinner theatre yes.

I think we are a fast skill team between the bluelines but in the zones we are not tough enough to win most board battles, unfortunately we frequently set ourselves up for board battles with dump-ins and, in the offensive zone, establishing a perimeter and tossing the puck behind the opposition's net. Also I think we lack creative offense maybe due an emphasis on defense and two-way play in practices?

So our identity would be -- players with speed and skill in a system that often calls for size and grit.

edit: Yes and of course goaltending. A huge part of our identity is Carey Price.


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Hey guys, honest question here (no bashing of JM, PG or the players) but I was thinking about the team we have right now. I just can't seem to find a way to describe our identity? I remember when Cammy and Gio first came here and they said it was important to build a identity for a team with 13 new players. 3 years later, and I'm not sure if we have one yet? Remember our team in 07-08, we had that dominant PP and that was our identity. You can hit us and play dirty to us but we'll out sake you and score at least 2 PP goals on you and the game would be over.

We know the Bruins are big and physical, the Penguins are deep down the middle, Washington used to be fire-wagon hockey. But what are we? Some games we win 2-1,1-0, some we win 4-0, some games we lose 1-0, 2-1, some games we lose 5-3, 6-4.

So what is the identity of the current Canadiens?
Goaltending and a strong transition game.

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I think what's interesting is that aside from Gomez, and Gionta, it's our bigger players who are our fastest. I think that's what makes them look faster, when Pacioretty and Cole are speeding around defensemen as opposed to when Gionta does.

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A great-skating puck-possession club with strong puck-movement from the back-end, a deep group of forwards, and strong fundamentals in all phases of the game.

Backed by a very good goalie, to boot.

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I think what's interesting is that aside from Gomez, and Gionta, it's our bigger players who are our fastest. I think that's what makes them look faster, when Pacioretty and Cole are speeding around defensemen as opposed to when Gionta does.
Just wondering if other people see what I see when Gionta is skating down the wing... he doesn't let up in the corners like Cammy, pleks, gomez and Desharnais. He is a Power forward in a smaller man's body. While physically small, it doens't stop him that often from playing his game.

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ill sum up our identity so far:

Play well enough to win, but dont.

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Carey Price's team.

Hot? We win.

Average? We lose.

Not enough offensive support to give Price a break when he is not on his game.

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I don't think we really have a team identity yet. With all the injuries, the trios constantly being changed every two games, our good young players being demoted after every single mistakes, our atroucious older players being rewarded even if they suck.

As of now the only thing I see and most of the league sees in us is that we have a VERY small team with above average speed, an obvious lack of toughness, Scott Gomez, three precious young players in PK, MacPac and Price. And as someone mentionned, the team goes accordingly to Price's performances.

I'm not bashing. I love my team and I really think a few changes here and there could bring us from bordeline playoff team to top 5 in the NHL. The thing is I really don't have anymore faith in Gauthier.

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Carey Price's team.

Hot? We win.

Average? We lose.
Oh?

Which game have the Habs won this year that they would have lost if Price hadn't been exceptional?

5-1 versus Philly? 4-0 versus the Rangers? 4-0 versus Carolina? 5-1 versus Winnipeg?

Price hasn't really had to steal a game yet this year. The Habs seldom play so poorly as to give him an opportunity.

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In the entertainment industry? Arts? The theater?
What entertains the fans the most though slamming a team like Ottawa 9-0 every now and then while losing games left and right due to lack of caution or winning a cup but being more careful and not winning games against Ottawa 9-0?

I'd take the cup. At the end of the day it IS a business and playoffs + cup are important, it's more revenue.

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i'd say ''above average, below excellent'' is our identity

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