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11-23-2011, 03:51 PM
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Deaveaux is a tweener Christensen has been waived by two other organizations and this one, the only thing that saved him from Hartford was an injury. Read the writing on the wall.

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Some people are way too hard on Rupp. He looked mediocre in his first 7 games here, so now he belongs in the AHL? Come the **** on. He has been a very solid fourth line player throughout his career. Way too quick to write him off.

He has been a full time player on good Pittsburgh and NJ teams for the past five years. Now he sucks because he didn't impress in seven games here. Got it.
Until the long homestand this hole team was playing like crap. Rupp and Wolski weren't around long enough to be the beneficiary of the turn around like everyone else has.


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What we've seen of Deveuax, Rupp does it better.

But is he worth 1.5 million?

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11-23-2011, 04:20 PM
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What we've seen of Deveuax, Rupp does it better.

But is he worth 1.5 million?
The UFA market dictated that yes he is, because that's what it took to sign him. A smaller offer and you end up with something like Jody Shelley, he signs somewhere else. It's fairly simple logic.

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11-23-2011, 04:27 PM
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The UFA market dictated that yes he is, because that's what it took to sign him. A smaller offer and you end up with something like Jody Shelley, he signs somewhere else. It's fairly simple logic.
No, I mean should we have bothered to sign a better Andre Deveaux, but for a million more dollars?

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11-23-2011, 05:04 PM
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No, I mean should we have bothered to sign a better Andre Deveaux, but for a million more dollars?
The guys a 5 year NHL veteran and he's going to take punches for everyone else on the team yet he makes well below the team average. What more do you want?

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11-23-2011, 05:06 PM
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The guys a 5 year NHL veteran and he's going to take punches for everyone else on the team yet he makes well below the team average. What more do you want?
To put that extra million dollars towards somebody like, say, Vinny Prospal.

I just think we didn't need Rupp, as good as he is as a 4th liner.

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11-23-2011, 05:14 PM
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Rupp is not a good NHL player, sorry.

Skating = well below average
Hands = well below average
Shot = average at best
Fighting = average at best
Hockey IQ = average at best
Production = well below average

No one is answering why he would be a better option then players who are less expensive and could add more on the ice.

Other then, he's a veteran. And he was on some good teams. Or he may or may not possibly contribute...maybe... that's not what you want to hear when a guy makes 1.5.

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11-23-2011, 05:26 PM
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Rupp is not a good NHL player, sorry.

Skating = well below average
Hands = well below average
Shot = average at best
Fighting = average at best
Hockey IQ = average at best
Production = well below average

No one is answering why he would be a better option then players who are less expensive and could add more on the ice.

Other then, he's a veteran. And he was on some good teams. Or he may or may not possibly contribute...maybe... that's not what you want to hear when a guy makes 1.5.
Rupp is not a liability when he's on the ice. A guy like Deaveaux in an 82 season and the playoffs will be. At 1.5 he's below average salary for the Rangers, so I don't really see what the complaints are about.

After signing a UFA contract the guy is making 900k below league average.
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So if he's at or below average in most areas, he's getting paid exactly what he should be. /Thread


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11-23-2011, 05:34 PM
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Rupp is not a good NHL player, sorry.

Skating = well below average
Hands = well below average
Shot = average at best
Fighting = average at best
Hockey IQ = average at best
Production = well below average

No one is answering why he would be a better option then players who are less expensive and could add more on the ice.

Other then, he's a veteran. And he was on some good teams. Or he may or may not possibly contribute...maybe... that's not what you want to hear when a guy makes 1.5.
Are/were there better ways to spend $1.5M than Mike Rupp? Probably. But we chose to sign him, and now he's here. And he will be here for a while.

The question now becomes Rupp or Deveaux, which is the question being asked here. I still believe the answer is pretty clearly Rupp. No one has provided any argument as to why it should be Deveaux, other than the added cap space (which we don't currently need).

As far as your analysis of Rupp, well, he's a fourth liner. You can make a similar list of "below-average" traits for any other fourth liner. He may not be a good NHL player in a vacuum, but he's a good player when it comes to performing his role.

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Rupp is not a liability when he's on the ice. A guy like Deaveaux in an 82 season and the playoffs will be. At 1.5 he's below average salary for the Rangers, so I don't really see what the complaints are about.
I could care less about Deveaux staying in the lineup or not.

However, the more offensively inept players we carry, the more complaints there will be about the team being offensively inept.

Unless we plant Rupp in front of the net on the Power Play.

I mean... which one is it? We're satisfied carrying more of these types of players? Or we want to start a thread per week about how we can't score goals?

1.5 getting 6-8 minutes max per game, scoring once every 20+ games isn't exactly helping us.

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11-23-2011, 05:40 PM
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Deveaux has been fine as a temporary replacement. Rupp is not as bad as some are making him out to be. When he's ready to come back I think Deveaux goes back to Hartford.

Avery's been pretty good since he's been back up. Hopefully it lasts. I think the business about his goal scoring touch being gone looks a bit like a ********* argument right now. If he continues to play well I don't see a good reason to dump him.

I'd be more inclined to dump Christensen. He and Wolski are the two forwards I wonder about as far as being players you can go to war with. They both have skill--especially Wolski--but they lack grit. Might not be that important in the regular season but in the playoffs it is important. Got to hunker down then.

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I'd be more inclined to dump Christensen. He and Wolski are the two forwards I wonder about as far as being players you can go to war with. They both have skill--especially Wolski--but they lack grit. Might not be that important in the regular season but in the playoffs it is important. Got to hunker down then.
Really, I have no complaints about EC subbing for Rupp. He's found a way to contribute something in a variety of roles. He keeps it safe and simple. He doesn't complain about his reserve role on the team. The fact that he's still around illustrates that Torts doesn't hate him as much as the fan base, so I'm inclined to keep him in reserve until his services are needed again.

I agree about Deveaux. Better option in the role than say, Newbury. For a team that lacks a lot of postseason experience throughout, Rupp is nice option to have in the bottom 6 come spring time though.

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11-23-2011, 06:57 PM
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totally agree. It's just like the "this team sucks" thread after they started in Europe and then Western Canada.
Its funny you'd think more people would make that connection. He didnt play good hockey but neither did the whole team and it was during that awful trip? Hmmmmm. True he could just stink he was a little below mediocre imo but I'd rather say give him a chance especially considering the time he was stinking

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Its funny you'd think more people would make that connection. He didnt play good hockey but neither did the whole team and it was during that awful trip? Hmmmmm. True he could just stink he was a little below mediocre imo but I'd rather say give him a chance especially considering the time he was stinking
Not talking about the beginning of the season. Im talking about his whole career.

He's a crap player.

Slow, no hands, mediocre fighter... what's the point?

We need some players that can play, create, and produce.

Id much rather see Hagelin get a chance.

Id much rather Zuccarello get another look...and that's saying something.

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11-23-2011, 09:04 PM
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Well, tonight's game makes things a bit clearer. Deveaux will likely be suspended and may be sent down after that dirty elbow. Rupp would never pull that ****.

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11-23-2011, 09:09 PM
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Weather or not Deveaux stays (after that crap I hope he's gone) doesn't mean a skill-devoid and slow Rupp should be here, either.

Hagelin and Zuccarello should be getting chance because of this team's inability to create and sustain any sort of offense.

And I've been hard on Zuccarello, so that's saying something. Rupp is not any sort of answer. In ANY capacity.

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11-23-2011, 10:01 PM
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EC has got to go already. He's a PP specialist who simply doesn't put up points. As stated earlier, he's almost 28 and not getting any better. He doesn't hit, he doesn't fight, he just sucks up prime PP minutes (including 5 on 3) and puts up stale scoring numbers.

Why has it taken so long to get rid of him?

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