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11-24-2011, 09:36 PM
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i've also wanted audy-marchessault on this team for a few weeks, i hope if there's another callup it's him

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11-24-2011, 09:41 PM
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i've also wanted audy-marchessault on this team for a few weeks, i hope if there's another callup it's him
He's on an AHL contract. Not our property to call up.

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11-24-2011, 09:50 PM
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I'm actually glad other guys are getting a chance instead of MZA. I just don't think MZA is that good.

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11-24-2011, 09:50 PM
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i've also wanted audy-marchessault on this team for a few weeks, i hope if there's another callup it's him
He cant be called up, AHL contract

Edit: already said.

Surprised you didnt know that though, seems like you think of your self as an expert PJ

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11-24-2011, 09:51 PM
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welp there ya go, didn't know he was only on an ahl contract.

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11-24-2011, 09:54 PM
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We finally get to see what Hagelin can do in the NHL. Its good that they didn't call up Zucc, save his call up for when there is a top 6/9 spot available

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11-24-2011, 09:57 PM
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I'm actually glad other guys are getting a chance instead of MZA. I just don't think MZA is that good.
John Mitchell's career high is 6 more points than MZA in 30+ more games.

If MZA isn't very good, John Mitchell is garbage.

It's stupid that he gets a call up over MZA and that Boyle is still on the third line. ****ing stupid.

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11-24-2011, 10:02 PM
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John Mitchell's career high is 6 more points than MZA in 30+ more games.

If MZA isn't very good, John Mitchell is garbage.

It's stupid that he gets a call up over MZA and that Boyle is still on the third line. ****ing stupid.
But it couldn't hurt to try. If he's no better than MZA then we'll just have to get better players.

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11-24-2011, 10:05 PM
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But it couldn't hurt to try. If he's no better than MZA then we'll just have to get better players.
Or we could call up the guy who put up 23 points in 42 games in his rookie season and see what he can do.

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11-24-2011, 10:07 PM
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Or we could call up the guy who put up 23 points in 42 games in his rookie season and see what he can do.
We already tried that this year. He didn't show anything worthy of us giving him more ice-time.

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Or we could call up the guy who put up 23 points in 42 games in his rookie season and see what he can do.
And who was totally invisible this year...

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We already tried that this year. He didn't show anything worthy of us giving him more ice-time.
He played three games.

Three games when the entire team looked like ****.

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11-24-2011, 10:09 PM
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And who was totally invisible this year...
Three games where all we did was take penalties.

Just a reminder.

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11-24-2011, 10:23 PM
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And who was totally invisible this year...
If you gave Richards the ice time that Zucc got in that short amount of games, Richards might look invisible too.

Tortorella has some good ideas and some bad ones. Making Boyle and Fedotenko centre pieces in this team is ****in stupid. This is the same Fedotenko that was dropped by Pittsburgh. Not saying he can't have a role, but Tortorella makes his role primary...

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11-24-2011, 10:24 PM
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Three games where all we did was take penalties.

Just a reminder.
don't you think, in any way, that mza was part of the reason the team looked so bad? our problem through the first 5-6 games of the season was that there was no forecheck and a lack of size. remember that the team got bigger (deveaux, avery) and instantly became a much better team? don't forget that even though the rangers just lost 2 games in a row, before that they won 7 straight.

our early season problems were caused by players like wolski and mza who don't take the body or contribute anything on defense. why would you want guys like that anywhere near this team?

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don't you think, in any way, that mza was part of the reason the team looked so bad? our problem through the first 5-6 games of the season was that there was no forecheck and a lack of size. remember that the team got bigger (deveaux, avery) and instantly became a much better team? don't forget that even though the rangers just lost 2 games in a row, before that they won 7 straight.

our early season problems were caused by players like wolski and mza who don't take the body or contribute anything on defense. why would you want guys like that anywhere near this team?
Because we have tons of 4th liners who don't do anything very well EXCEPT lay the body and PK.

I want a third line that can actually be a threat offensively. Hagelin and MZA do that. Boyle and Prust don't.

Also, I don't think Deveaux or any other "bigger badder" guys contributed much to our success. It was Gaborik, Callahan, Stepan, Anisimov and Richards- our skillful players. They've gone cold over the last few games, and where are we now?

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Three games where all we did was take penalties.

Just a reminder.
Just a reminder, despite all the pointing out of statistics in regards to Zuccarello, he looked invisible for most of last season too. Almost 40% of his points came in 4 games, or 10% of his season. Remember how we always said that Gaborik's goal total last year was deceiving? Well, so was Zuccarello's point total. It points to situational success, which isn't at all the same as being able to play in the league.

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don't you think, in any way, that mza was part of the reason the team looked so bad? our problem through the first 5-6 games of the season was that there was no forecheck and a lack of size. remember that the team got bigger (deveaux, avery) and instantly became a much better team? don't forget that even though the rangers just lost 2 games in a row, before that they won 7 straight.
Im sorry, but this just sounds beyond stupid now

Since i am Norwegian, i have stayed away from MZA discussions on purpose (after all, i am biased, so instead of getting that thrown in my face, i've kept my mouth shut).

If your arguement is that 2 guys getting 5 - 10 minutes a night (Deveux normally gets less than 5, Avery less than 10) on a team of 20 people makes the difference, i plain and simply give up.

Blaming Zuke for the entire team looking bad is also quite...impressive

Newsflash for you.. the "core" of the Rangers is unchanged, since day 1 its basically been the same players out there for the vast majority of the time (Cally, Dubi, AA, Gabby, Richards, etc etc). If the team collectively sucked, you dont really need to look further than to these guys.

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11-24-2011, 11:25 PM
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Newsflash for you.. the "core" of the Rangers is unchanged, since day 1 its basically been the same players out there for the vast majority of the time (Cally, Dubi, AA, Gabby, Richards, etc etc). If the team collectively sucked, you dont really need to look further than to these guys.
I dont think you can really say those guys suck on account they are the only offensive threats we've had this season. that whole 7 in a row deal yeah they had a big part in that,(along with team defense) but if your just looking to pick a fight because some one doesn't like zucc go else where he won't make it on the rangers top 6 because we already have a top 6

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We have two 2 lines if no ones noticed!

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11-24-2011, 11:33 PM
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I dont think you can really say those guys suck on account they are the only offensive threats we've had this season. that whole 7 in a row deal yeah they had a big part in that,(along with team defense) but if your just looking to pick a fight because some one doesn't like zucc go else where he won't make it on the rangers top 6 because we already have a top 6

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Im not saying that they suck, nor have i said anything about Zuke (other than that you cant blame him for a team not deciding to show up). And most of all, i've certainly not lobbied for him to get into the top 6 of the Rangers, where did you take that from ?

What i said was that the core of the Rangers has been intact since the season started. Is my English so bad that people cannot comprehend what im saying ?

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NY Rangers stats:

#1 in power play points per minute last season
#3 in overall points per minute last season
#5 in points per game last season

Yeah he really showed he was not good enough, lol.

I must say, those stats are very compelling. In points per minute on the ice, MZA outscored Dubinsky, the team leader in overall points last season. One day, we'll regret not bringing him up correctly.

Regardless of what we do the rest of the way, I doubt he'll want to resign with us unless we qualify him as an RFA.

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THANK YOU.

Been asking for Hagelin to get called up the past couple of days.

He's producing at the AHL level.

Im hoping he makes an immediate impact and sticks.

Me and you both, but if he doesn't, if he's here only to get a feel for what he has to do to stick around next time, then it's not cause for this whole board to abuse him as a non-prospect.

This is his first cup of tea. He's expected to go down. He's expected to make mistakes and to do nothing except be fast. Anything more than that should be a pleasant surprise, not an expectation.

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11-25-2011, 12:33 AM
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I thought Mitchell had to be put on re-entry waivers??

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Knowing Torts, he will sit Avery and play EC on the first PP unit.

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I see this as Torts wanting to see these guys play the big boys and that he knows how zuke fares against said players..

If zuke felt over looked before, imagine his mindset now..

At tonights game, he'll either wreck havock, get a multi point gane and be all over or he'll just skate and pass..

Tonights and this weekend games will be very telling about his future I think

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