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11-12-2011, 12:08 PM
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Which makes no sense. Why have a guy count against your cap if you don't have to?
I didn't think you could send an injured player down, but it still seems to me that they don't want to expose him to waivers for whatever reason.

I have asked KDB to chime in.

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11-12-2011, 12:10 PM
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Capgeek also says Cam MacIntyre is not exempt from waivers, which is untrue.
How did you figure that out? They have a calculator that tells you if you have the correct info. Unless you asked them directly.

My experience has been that CapGeek is correct over 99% of the time.

EDIT: I see that if I use the Calc it says he is not exempt. Why do you believe he is? His age or personal info?

EDIT2: OK I see. It says in type that he is not exempt, but if you look at the calc he is. Same for Ferriero. Must be a bug in their calc, but I will ask.


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How did you figure that out? They have a calculator that tells you if you have the correct info. Unless you asked them directly.

My experience has been that CapGeek is correct over 99% of the time.

EDIT: I see that if I use the Calc it says he is not exempt. Why do you believe he is? His age or personal info?
Because I made an ass of myself saying he wasn't exempt earlier this season.

http://www.sharkspage.com/?p=5588

And I e-mailed Capgeek to tell them of their error. So far no reply nor has a fix appeared.

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Because I made an ass of myself saying he wasn't exempt earlier this season.

http://www.sharkspage.com/?p=5588

And I e-mailed Capgeek to tell them of their error. So far no reply nor has a fix appeared.
Read my second edit and I emailed them also.

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11-12-2011, 12:51 PM
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EDIT2: OK I see. It says in type that he is not exempt, but if you look at the calc he is. Same for Ferriero. Must be a bug in their calc, but I will ask.
When you see the red box in the calculator that's the reason he's not exempt. MacIntyre's box is red for 2 seasons as the reason he's not exempt, except that according to the CBA his first season where he played no games doesn't count so he is in season two for waiver exemption right now, so the box shouldn't be red.

Ferriero is a different case because it's number of games played...so I guess Capgeek must put players on the exact number as being not exempt while they still are until they play that next game.

It will be interesting to hear their answer (presuming they do, they never answered my e-mail).

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11-12-2011, 01:16 PM
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McLaren was also injured in the AHL. He was on the "non roster, injured" list and could not come off that list until he passed a physical which he has obviously done. At that point he must be added/assigned to a roster, so he has now been added to SJ's roster and loaned to Worcester on a rehab assignment. His salary counts against SJ's cap while on his rehab assignment (provided it's the 14 day assignment).

I am fairly certain players on the "non roster, injured" list do not count against the cap...certain enough to now say it twice anyway.

There is no IR list in the AHL at all.
Players on the Injured Non Roster list do count against the cap.

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(B) From the day following the last day of Training Camp until
and including June 30 of each League Year, "Averaged
Club Salary" for each Club shall be calculated as the sum
of the following amounts:
(1) The Averaged Amount of the Player Salary and
Bonuses for that League Year for each Player on the
Club's Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non
Roster
and Non Roster; plus
To clarify - and repeat what has already been posted - there are two types of Conditioning Loans:

1. Regular Conditioning Loan - Up to 14 days, the player is considered on the Active Roster, consumes Roster Spot, and receives his NHL Salary. A player on a Conditioning Loan must first be activated from the Injured Reserve or Injured Non Roster Lists.

2. Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan - Up to 6 days/3 games, the player remains on LTIR/IR, does not consume a Roster Spot.

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"Active Roster" shall be determined as follows: Commencing on the day
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NHL Game in a League Year, Active Roster shall include all Players on a Club's Reserve
List who are signed to an approved and registered SPC, subject to the provisions of
Article 11, and who are not on the Injured Reserve List, Injured Non Roster, designated
Non-Roster, or Loaned. A Player who is on a Conditioning Loan is included on a Club's
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During Training Camp, a Player shall be deemed to be on the Club's
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13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for
more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps
he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the
Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise
Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action
against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period
of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled
to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club.
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13.9 Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan. A Player
who is on the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception as set forth in Article 50
may, with his consent, during the term of such Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
Exception (but in no event during the first fourteen (14) calendar days and six (6) NHL
Games), be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan (the "Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
Exception Conditioning Loan") for a period not to exceed up to the longer of six (6) days
and three (3) games, solely for the purpose of determining whether the Player is fit to
play. If the Club determines that it needs more time to assess the Player's fitness to play,
the Club may file a written request by facsimile with the Commissioner's Office, with a
copy to the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof, to extend the Loan for an
additional two (2) games. The Commissioner, upon good cause, may approve the onetime
extension. The Commissioner's approval shall not be unreasonably withheld. A
Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan will
continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club's 23-man
roster limit. The Club's Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception will continue
until the Conditioning Loan ends, and his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses will
continue to count against the Club's Upper Limit and the Players' Share during such time.
The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the
circumstances under which a Player is placed on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
Conditioning Loan. If he has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the
Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Conditioning Loan to evade Re-Entry Waivers or
otherwise to Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take other disciplinary
action against the Club as he deems appropriate. A Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness
Conditioning Loan may be extended on one occasion. This procedure can only be used
once during each period of time that the Player is on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury
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So where is Frazer McLaren on this, kdb?

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So where is Frazer McLaren on this, kdb?
My guess is he's on an exercise bike loosening up for tonight's game.

Oh, that's not what you meant, is it?

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My guess is he's on an exercise bike loosening up for tonight's game.

Oh, that's not what you meant, is it?
Don't make me come over there.

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Don't make me come over there.
I got great seats and it's poster night...

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I got great seats and it's poster night...
But really, what seat in the DCU isn't a great seat?

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Don't make me come over there.
C'mon over - we'll set you up with a ticket, some chowder, and some sam adams beer. (Poster optional)

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But really, what seat in the DCU isn't a great seat?
The ones right in front of Speed and I

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The ones right in front of Speed and I
Thats true. Better to be next to us than in front of us.

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He's totally useless at the NHL level.

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He's totally useless at the NHL level.
After watching his "fight" at the AHL level, not muchgoing on here either.

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Noted that McLaren was on the (healthy) scratches roster for Saturday's game, which means he has been activated from the IR/non-roster injured list.

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Noted that McLaren was on the (healthy) scratches roster for Saturday's game, which means he has been activated from the IR/non-roster injured list.
He has to have been activated to be assigned to the AHL on a two week conditioning loan.

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He's been recalled to San Jose.

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He's been recalled to San Jose.
Should get interesting now.

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Good. Goon it up tonight.

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