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11-26-2011, 10:11 PM
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Experiments that aren't working

1. Pleks on the point on the PP
2. Gionta - Cammalleri - Pleks on a line
3. Gill and Weber as a defensive pairing

Something different has to be tried with that PP. It is hopeless the way it stands and Pleks has been put in an awkward position. Weber and Subban also seem to be hesitating to take the one-timer. But it goes much deeper than that. The whole PP unit along with the tactics need to be re-examined.

The Gionta-Cammmalleri-Pleks line is lacking something and either Gionta or Cammalleri need to find a new spot on the team or elsewhere. I like the Eller line and the Desharnais line and wouldn't mess with those, so I don't know what the solution is.

Weber is still making tons of mistakes and he is undersized. Gill is simply hopeless.

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11-26-2011, 10:17 PM
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3. Gill and Weber as a defensive pairing
Well the alternatives are:

- Emelin-Weber, Gill-Diaz
- break up the top pairing to spread out the quality
- trade for yet another defenceman
- wait for Markov, Campoli and Spacek to return

...I think we know which one is the only real option.

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11-26-2011, 10:18 PM
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jacques martin as coach isn't working.
Gauthier as gm isn't working

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11-26-2011, 10:27 PM
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I tried to make a homemade volcano with baking soda and vinegar...

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11-26-2011, 10:29 PM
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Being small and fast and skilled.

I'd rather be big and fast and skilled, please.

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11-26-2011, 10:30 PM
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A roster with no toughness. A coaching philosophy that expects the refs to protect the team from abuse but hasn't got a functional PP. Complete inability to protect our franchise goalie. Things that seem obvious, but not according to our GM or coach.

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11-26-2011, 10:31 PM
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I'd make it more specific and say Plekanec and Gionta do not work together. At all.

I kind of liked the chemistry Gionta and Gomez showed. It looks like Gionta is lost without his big brother.

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11-26-2011, 10:36 PM
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I tried to make a homemade volcano with baking soda and vinegar...
I got this picture in my mind and can't stop laughing

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11-26-2011, 10:45 PM
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1. Pleks on the point on the PP
2. Gionta - Cammalleri - Pleks on a line
3. Gill and Weber as a defensive pairing

Something different has to be tried with that PP. It is hopeless the way it stands and Pleks has been put in an awkward position. Weber and Subban also seem to be hesitating to take the one-timer. But it goes much deeper than that. The whole PP unit along with the tactics need to be re-examined.

The Gionta-Cammmalleri-Pleks line is lacking something and either Gionta or Cammalleri need to find a new spot on the team or elsewhere. I like the Eller line and the Desharnais line and wouldn't mess with those, so I don't know what the solution is.

Weber is still making tons of mistakes and he is undersized. Gill is simply hopeless.


Gill is brutal no matter what, it won't matter who he's playing with. He's wayyy tooo sloooowww!!! Hamrlik is still 10 times faster...just sayin.

Darche does not belong on the ice during powerplays or in the 3rd period unless the Habs are leading by at least 2 goals. He's rotten.

Break up the smallest line in the NHL of Pleks, Cammy and Gionta. Put Cammy on the 3rd line with Eller and Moen until he wakes up and starts giving an effort. Put Kostitsyn with Gionta and Pleks since he's working hard and it'll give that line some size.

The powerplay looks ok with Pleks on the point, but it isn't working, time to try something else. Give Diaz more icetime on the top PP unit.

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11-26-2011, 10:51 PM
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Points 1 and 3 are both solved once Markov and Spacek come back so I'm not too concerned. My issue with 2 is that I love the Cole-DD-Pac and Moen-Eller-AK lines and don't really want to break them up. My only thought for line combos would be to switch Cole and Gio and see if Cammy-Plek-Cole works now that Cole is more settled on the team and playing great.

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11-26-2011, 10:57 PM
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the biggest issues:

-cole and maxpac making it obvious we need even more size on wings in top 6.
-gomez making it obvious we need another vet center with scoring ability
-we absolutely need some jam, grit, muscle - a ****ing identity for our 4th line
-even with campoli and markov back we need some size and nastiness on our D and no not just emelin
-martin needs to go

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11-26-2011, 11:09 PM
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Being small and fast and skilled.

I'd rather be big and fast and skilled, please.
Its been 17 years of "small, fast and skilled." I think we are past the experiment phase. I think someone in Montreal believes this is the only way to success.

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11-26-2011, 11:19 PM
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Its been 17 years of "small, fast and skilled." I think we are past the experiment phase. I think someone in Montreal believes this is the only way to success.
And the problem is that we consider ourselves a "skilled team" but when it comes right down to it, the real contenders have much better skilled players than we do. Plus they have size.

We haven't had a player finish in the top 10 in the scoring race for 25 years. But we consider ourselves skilled... Something isn't right here. It would be one thing if we had elite small players like Giroux and St. Louis but we don't. We have mediocre small guys and that's not going to take us anywhere.

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11-26-2011, 11:27 PM
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And the problem is that we consider ourselves a "skilled team" but when it comes right down to it, the real contenders have much better skilled players than we do. Plus they have size.

We haven't had a player finish in the top 10 in the scoring race for 25 years. But we consider ourselves skilled... Something isn't right here. It would be one thing if we had elite small players like Giroux and St. Louis but we don't. We have mediocre small guys and that's not going to take us anywhere.
Thats actually such a sad thing.

Montreal is not that skilled. Really they are good skaters but not explosive aside from Cole. You see so many more teams with more bigger faster and more skilled players. Teams are finding these players, Montreal finally has two in Cole and Pacioretty. Cole they just got and Pacioretty who JM nearly destroyed.

Its not one or the other. But the blend. Montreals has such an overabundance of these small shifty forwards, that it doesnt get them to the next level.

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Agreed with the last couple of posts.

SIZE DOES MATTER.

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And the problem is that we consider ourselves a "skilled team" but when it comes right down to it, the real contenders have much better skilled players than we do. Plus they have size.

We haven't had a player finish in the top 10 in the scoring race for 25 years. But we consider ourselves skilled... Something isn't right here. It would be one thing if we had elite small players like Giroux and St. Louis but we don't. We have mediocre small guys and that's not going to take us anywhere.
both of those teams surround their small guys with some beef or jam - from malone, vinny, downey, etc to harnell, JVR, simmonds, pronger etc...
we need a bit of nastiness and size to play with our small guys, cole and maxpac is only a start

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Cammalleri paid as an elite top line goal scorer...

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Before the season the major gripe on this forum was having to carry Spacek (there were some wishful thinkers who still defended Gomez). Now it's patently clear that while Gomez ought to be the first down the chute he should have a lot of company. No, I don't mean Moen, who has eight goals already, but Cammalleri, Weber, Gionta, and Gill (while Darche isn't even worth mentioning). And judging by the way Gorges has played recently, he should be put on probation while Diaz needs a spell of minor league seasoning. Finally, Subban needs a dose of the same tough love he received last year.

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11-26-2011, 11:55 PM
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Before the season the major gripe on this forum was having to carry Spacek (there were some wishful thinkers who still defended Gomez). Now it's patently clear that while Gomez ought to be the first down the chute he should have a lot of company. No, I don't mean Moen, who has eight goals already, but Cammalleri, Weber, Gionta, and Gill (while Darche isn't even worth mentioning). And judging by the way Gorges has played recently, he should be put on probation while Diaz needs a spell of minor league seasoning. Finally, Subban needs a dose of the same tough love he received last year.
Gorges & Subban are the reason we're not in full on draft following mode.

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Finally, Subban needs a dose of the same tough love he received last year.
so let me get this straight...

your opinion is that what this team needs is to take our best Dman and sit him in the press box for 3 games?


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so let me get this straight...

your opinion is that what this team needs is to take our best Dman and sit him in the press box for 3 games?

Obviously, and distribute his icetime (23+ minutes) among Weber/Gill/St-Denis/Diaz....

I can only cringe at the thought


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Obviously, and distribute his icetime (23+ minutes) among Weber/Gill/St-Denis/Diaz....

I can only cringe at the thought



that made me think of what kind of stuff we'd see around here if our top 6 looked like:

Gorges-Gill
Weber-Emelin
St-Denis-Diaz


one look at that should be enough for anyone to appreciate what an impact Subban has on our defense!

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I was just thinking we could have signed Souray. Not only would he save our PP but help our awful defense and lack of toughness. How did we miss out on that?

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