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As to who the Hawks could be going after, Gleason makes the most sense to me. Jack Johnson makes no sense seeing as he's not a good defensive Dman.. remember, the Hawks want to bring their GA down..
I'd spooge if we got JMFJ or Gleason without giving up a core player.
Keith - Gleason
Hjalmarsson - JMFJ
Those would be sick pairings, but I highly doubt Johnson is available.
First of all, Kruger isn't being moved and is most certainly not the "same story" as Bickell or Stalberg. He's a very promising prospect with alot of room to grow and is currently playing well. Stalberg and Bickell are what they are at this point and only one of them (Stalberg) is currently playing well. Both Bowman's hold Kruger in high regard, he won't be going anywhere until the Hawks have a better grasp of what he could be on this team in the next 2-3 years.
Secondly, the Bolland part has to be a joke.. It wouldn't take Crosby coming back the other way to move Bolland. A generational talent for a very good third line centre? Lets try to keep the ridiculousness down.
The point on Bolland was that he is too valuable to the team to move for anything less than a superstar. As far as Kruger goes, I know you love the guy and I like him, but that's a guy that would definitely interest a team like Nashville for example and while the Bowman's hold him in high regard, if it took Kruger to get Suter or Weber, I have no doubt that Kruger would be playing in Nashville.
The point on Bolland was that he is too valuable to the team to move for anything less than a superstar. As far as Kruger goes, I know you love the guy and I like him, but that's a guy that would definitely interest a team like Nashville for example and while the Bowman's hold him in high regard, if it took Kruger to get Suter or Weber, I have no doubt that Kruger would be playing in Nashville.
Crosby is not a superstar.. Crosby is a generational talent and the best hockey player in the world. Would you not trade Bolland for Mike Richards, Ryan Kesler or someone of that quality? I surely would.
I'd be fine with trading Kruger for Weber or Suter, the point wasn't whether or not I'd trade him for an elite player, it was the players you mentioned him with. Kruger's value to the Blackhawks is much higher than that of Bickell or Stalberg.
Crosby is not a superstar.. Crosby is a generational talent and the best hockey player in the world. Would you not trade Bolland for Mike Richards, Ryan Kesler or someone of that quality? I surely would.
I'd be fine with trading Kruger for Weber or Suter, the point wasn't whether or not I'd trade him for an elite player, it was the players you mentioned him with. Kruger's value to the Blackhawks is much higher than that of Bickell or Stalberg.
Of course it is. My post was in response to the many posts mentioning numerous roster players that could be heading the other way. I named the guys that there is even a chance of being included and in those cases, particularly with a guy like Hjalmarsson or even Kruger, it better be one of the best in the game coming back and they better be a huge part of our package, not just an add on. I wouldn't just throw in Bickell or Stalberg either, they'd have to be held in good standing by the team bringing them in. Neither are guys you trade for a late pick, but yes, Kruger and Hjalmarsson are main pieces you build a package around whereas BB and VS are complements to a package, not center pieces.
I'm tired of other teams valuing Dave Bolland as a 3rd line center. Dave Bolland is a 2nd line center that has 2 all-star centers in front of him. P. Kane & Toews
Bolland is better than Derek Roy...
I would like to see Vanek Bolland Pominville I guarantee you that Bolland's numbers would be better than Roy's. You're not getting it Bolland is not a defensive center on your team. He is in Chicago because he has to be.
Your trade is wrong because you do not understand the value of Bolland. Bolland has the same value of a 2nd line center. He was rated in the top 30 centers in the league. Wake up all you guys that think the value of Bolland isn't a 1st and 2nd round pick.
Vanek Bolland Pominville
I don't want Bolland to get traded, but man if he does I hope he goes to Buffalo. It would be nice to see what numbers he could get with 1st line talent. Bolland could put up 70 points in Buffalo.
Until this year Bolland wasn't behind both Kane and Toews. Bolland is good offensively, but he's not as good as Roy.
Chicago would have to add a lot more to this deal to get either of these guys. Suter is very underrated and probably about as good as Weber, no way you get one of the best D men in the game for a marginal top 4 defenseman, okay prospect and a late first round pick.
Yes I think Nashville wants to send Weber or Suter to a cup contender that they will face 6 times a year and in the playoffs...Weber/Suter goes East or to a bad team if anything
They definitely are..but this year those stats are a bit skewed. We gave up a lot of PP goals in mainly 3 games. Ottawa game, where they almost came back from 5-1, Boston blowouts.
After that, Leafs PK has been great and working up from like 70% to ~76.9. Not as good but not so bad in overall numbers, but past 12 games are like 85%.
I can't understand how a team like the Hawks have a bad PK.
Same with the Hawks. They were like number 1/2 in the NHL in PK until the Van game which they gave up 5 pp goals and Keith was hurt for that game. Then through in the blowout to Edm in which they gave up 4 pp goals and that's what happened to the PK. 9 of the 19 ppg allowed by the Hawks came in two games.
Yes I think Nashville wants to send Weber or Suter to a cup contender that they will face 6 times a year and in the playoffs...Weber/Suter goes East or to a bad team if anything
Chicago
Hossa, Bolland, Seabrook
Nashville
Weber, Fisher
Chicago gets significantly worse.
At the end of the day, I think it's likely one of Weber/Suter will have to be moved and it's just a matter of how much Nashville is able to get for one of them that will be the deciding factor in which of the two is traded.
Yes I think Nashville wants to send Weber or Suter to a cup contender that they will face 6 times a year and in the playoffs...Weber/Suter goes East or to a bad team if anything
Chicago
Hossa, Bolland, Seabrook
Nashville
Weber, Fisher
I'd consider this if we could lock down Weber to a 10 year $6M per deal AND Bolland or Hossa were removed from the deal.
Hossa and Bolland are both better than Fisher, who likely wouldn't leave Nashville, and the gap between Seabrook and Weber isn't big enough to warrent giving up both Bolland and Hoss to close it.
Same with the Hawks. They were like number 1/2 in the NHL in PK until the Van game which they gave up 5 pp goals and Keith was hurt for that game. Then through in the blowout to Edm in which they gave up 4 pp goals and that's what happened to the PK. 9 of the 19 ppg allowed by the Hawks came in two games.
They were more like the #15/16 PK in the league prior to those two blowouts.
The Hawks don't give up a whole lot of goals on the PK because they are rarely short handed, but their PK% sucks and is sensitive because of the low number of opportunities.
Sounds like the best thing to do would be to wait until UFA and if Nashville doesn't sign Suter, then we see if he'd like to play close to home for a Cup contender, bring Gary in to help recruit him, the whole nine yards. That way we don't have to compensate our rival.
Sounds like the best thing to do would be to wait until UFA and if Nashville doesn't sign Suter, then we see if he'd like to play close to home for a Cup contender, bring Gary in to help recruit him, the whole nine yards. That way we don't have to compensate our rival.
if that happens will be crazy to see who wins the bidding war between Chi and Det
let alone other teams
det at the moment will have more cap space next July
as for getting a marque dman or a top 3 man could see nothing avaliable (unless they trade one of their top 6 guys) right now
see it more of a trade deadline deal with either prospects or/and picks so they dont take from their active roster.
Sounds like the best thing to do would be to wait until UFA and if Nashville doesn't sign Suter, then we see if he'd like to play close to home for a Cup contender, bring Gary in to help recruit him, the whole nine yards. That way we don't have to compensate our rival.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Nashville will no longer be our rival next year. It makes way too much sense for 28 NHL teams to simply swap Nashville and Winnipeg. It would really only piss off Detroit and to a lesser extent Columbus while not changing the current division format.
Yep, good times again..........
