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11-28-2011, 03:44 AM
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UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million - Resign 3yrs/12M$
Moen(29) 1.5 million - Resign 1yr/2M$
Darche(35) 700k - No thanks, I'll pass for a younger player
Spacek(37) 3.833 million - I love the guy but the player isn't what he used to be, goodbye.
Gorges(27) 2.5 million - Resign 4yrs/16M$
Gill(36) 2.25 million - Resign 1yr/2.25M$
Campoli(27) 1.75 million - I'd like to see him play more.


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million - Resign 3yrs/6M$
Engqvist(23) 900k - Don't really care.
Palushaj(22) 883k - Resign 2 yrs/1.9M$
White(23) 625k - Resign 3yrs/3M$
Nokelainen(25) 550k - Resign 1yr/750K
Emelin(25) 984k - Resign 2yrs/2.8M$
Diaz(25) 900k - Resign 1yr/1.1M$
Subban(22) 875k - Resign 5yrs/25M$
St. Denis(25) 605k - Don't really care
Price(24) 2.75 million - Don't really care..... 6yrs/39M$

Gomez isn't hurting us this year salary wise, but next year it'll be toguh to deal with his salary.

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11-28-2011, 05:17 AM
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I'd like to resign Moen & Georges from the UFA's.

Price, Subban, Eller, White, Emelin from the UFA's
I would keep Moen and Gorges also. Trade Spacek and Kostitsyn before they can walk if they have much value. Kostitsyn we have many young forwards that caliber about to enter the league as early as next fall. In Gallagher, Leblanc and Bournival who are much cheaper and Kostitsyn could fetch us something good at deadline. Spacek a veteran defenseman should net us a draft pick near the deadline as the Diaz, Elemin and Weber are developing with each passing month. Maybe even put both together with a pick to net us something huge?

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11-28-2011, 06:06 AM
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I would keep Moen and Gorges also. Trade Spacek and Kostitsyn before they can walk if they have much value. Kostitsyn we have many young forwards that caliber about to enter the league as early as next fall. In Gallagher, Leblanc and Bournival who are much cheaper and Kostitsyn could fetch us something good at deadline. Spacek a veteran defenseman should net us a draft pick near the deadline as the Diaz, Elemin and Weber are developing with each passing month. Maybe even put both together with a pick to net us something huge?
We don't have any forward of Kostitsyn's caliber ready next fall, or ever at this point. We don't have a future top 6 winger who hits like Kostitsyn. Maybe Avtsin in 3-4 years, but Kostitsyn has no replacement right now. We don't even have a prospect with a shot as good as Kostitsyn's.

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11-28-2011, 08:39 AM
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What contract would you want each player signed at for next season.


UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million
Moen(29) 1.5 million
Darche(35) 700k
Spacek(37) 3.833 million
Gorges(27) 2.5 million
Gill(36) 2.25 million
Campoli(27) 1.75 million.....?MAYBE? (depending on how he helps our Habs and playoffs performance and of course whether he can remain healthy...he may end up a bargain for us with all his experience...maybe)



RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million:...easy to sign, should not be expensive
Engqvist(23) 900k
Palushaj(22) 883k
White(23) 625k
Nokelainen(25) 550k
Emelin(25) 984k...needs a relatively cheap 2 year contract for his confidence...$1,25mil/year for 2 or 3 years?
Diaz(25) 900k...give him 2 years at 1,25mil/year?
Subban(22) 875k...3yr deal or 6-7 years...??
St. Denis(25) 605k
Price(24) 2.75 million...5-6 year deal

Priority I (in order, imo):
Price (5 year contract or more?)
Subban (3 years? 5 years or more?)
Gorges (gotta give him 3-4-5 years...gotta)
Moen (1 or 2 more years...solid two-way warrior)


Priority II (easier signings 'cause they can't ask for too much...yet):
Eller, White, Campoli (2-3 years? depending on health), Emelin (2 years?), St-Denis (cheap #6-7-8dman), Weber (trade bait?!), Diaz...will all be easy to sign at a relatively low price (hopefully).



Also, remember...we have to save $$$$ for Pacioretty in near future and for a possible TOP 4 UFA dman (may not be cheap).

IMO, there will not be any $$$$ left for expensive A.Kostitsyn. (Price, Subban, Gorges, way cheaper Moen, maybe even Campoli...are all ahead of him, imo).


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11-28-2011, 09:08 AM
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Both Palushaj and Engqvist have high Q.Os, but I'd offer it to them anyway because Q.Os are two-way contracts and they are both good players in Hamilton. Engqvist could always go back to Sweden of course, but we don't have a lot good centre depth in the organization, so it would be nice if he stuck around or we were able to trade him for another centre.

I'd like to keep Moen, AK & Gorges, and maybe Campoli if he plays well enough in the last half of the season. We shouldn't resign either Gill or Spacek.

There's already rumours out there that Shea Weber wants to sign in Detroit. Remember those rumours about Richards wanting to sign with the Rangers? Yeah, it sounds like the Wings have the starter's pole in the race for Weber this year.

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11-28-2011, 09:42 AM
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UFA's
Kostitsyn - Trade at the deadline
Moen- 2 years 1.5 million
Darche - let him walk
Spacek - let him walk
Gorges - 4 years at 3.5
Gill - let him walk
Campoli - let him walk


RFA's
Eller - 3 years for 1.7
Engqvist - 1 year 950
Palushaj - 1 year 950
White - 1 year 750
Nokelainen - 1 year 600
Emelin - 2 years 1.1
Diaz - 2 years 1.1
Subban - 4 years at 4
St. Denis - 1 year at 700
Price - 7 years at 6.5


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11-28-2011, 12:22 PM
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What contract would you want each player signed at for next season.


UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million > Re-sign at 3 years for 3.75 a season
Moen(29) 1.5 million > Re-sign for two more years at 1.5 a season
Darche(35) 700k > Good-bye
Spacek(37) 3.833 million > Good-bye
Gorges(27) 2.5 million > Re-sign for 5 years at 4 per.
Gill(36) 2.25 million > Good-bye.
Campoli(27) 1.75 million > Good-bye.


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million > Re-sign for 2 seasons around 1.5 million and see how he develops
Engqvist(23) 900k > Re-sign to AHL two-way deal
Palushaj(22) 883k > Use as a trading chip
White(23) 625k > Re-sign for 3 years at 850k
Nokelainen(25) 550k > Re-sign for 1 season at 600k
Emelin(25) 984k > Re-sign to 2 year deal worth 2 per
Diaz(25) 900k > Iffy see how rest of season goes
Subban(22) 875k > Re-sign to a long term deal 7+ years
St. Denis(25) 605k > Re-sign to AHL two-way deal
Price(24) 2.75 million > Re-sign for a long term deal 7+ years
That is what I would do.

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11-28-2011, 02:33 PM
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What contract would you want each player signed at for next season.


UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million- re-sign, 3yrs@ 12m$ to 13.5M$ (4 to 4.5M$/per)
Moen(29) 1.5 million re-sign, 3 yrs @ 5.25M$ (1.75M$/per)
Darche(35) 700k gone
Spacek(37) 3.833 million gone
Gorges(27) 2.5 million re-sign 3-4yrs @12.75M$ to 17M$ (4.25M$/per)
Gill(36) 2.25 million gone
Campoli(27) 1.75 million ? depends on how he looks after returning from injury)


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million re-sign 4yrs @ 8M$ (2M$/per)
Engqvist(23) 900k qualify
Palushaj(22) 883k qualify
White(23) 625k qualify
Nokelainen(25) 550k qualify
Emelin(25) 984k qualify
Diaz(25) 900k qualify
Subban(22) 875k 5 yrs @ 25M$ (5M$/per)
St. Denis(25) 605k qualify
Price(24) 2.75 million 6 yrs @ 34.5M (5.75M$/per)


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Most are tough to call because the next 60 games and playoffs will impact who stays, who goes, what additions/substractions are made until the deadline and what Gauthier looks to add.

UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million...as much as anybody, the rest of the season will tell the tale, I would be surprised if he doesn't hit UFA. Will be hard to pay him 3.5-4 mil long term with Pacioretty Cole Gio and Cammy tied up.

Moen(29) 1.5 million...I think they try hard to keep him, don't think he gets 1.5 mil here with Gauthier as GM, if he finishes at 10-15 goals expect 2-3 years at around 1 mil/year.
Darche(35) 700k...unless he picks it up this may be his last year...maybe a camp invite as insurance.
Spacek(37) 3.833 million...can't see him back, too many young d-men in the pipeline.
Gorges(27) 2.5 million...I expect him to sign for 4-5 years at about 3.5/year barring something unforseen.
Gill(36) 2.25 million...I think this is his last year here
Campoli(27) 1.75 million...may be back for 1 or 2 years, I think they'll try and sign a younger version of Gill as a UFA(Allen Mitchell or Morrisonn type).


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million...I expect 2 years at about 1-1.2 mil.
Engqvist(23) 900k...I think they'll bring him back with a shot at the 4th line if he progresses.
Palushaj(22) 883k...will be a serous candidate next year, maybe to replace AK on the 3rd offensive line.
White(23) 625k...a lock to be back unless something unforseen happens, 2 years at 1.6 total 1 way.
Nokelainen(25) 550k...mixed results so far, up in the air, Engqvist or a UFA could replace him.
Emelin(25) 984k...a lock to be back unless he isn't given a shot after injuries return, may get big offer in Russia so we may have to offer 2 years at 4-4.5 mil.
Diaz(25) 900k...I expect him to be the #7 guy next year barring a trade, 1 or 2 years at about the same.
Subban(22) 875k...will either sign for 4-5 years at 4 to 5 mil/year or 2 years 7-8 mil(total) obviouskly the rest of the year will impact this.
St. Denis(25) 605k...should be brought back as #8-9 depth but could leave if he goes where he will be huigher on the depth chart.
Price(24) 2.75 million...I expect a 4-5-6 year deal at around 6 mil/year.

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UFA's - re-sign Gorges and Moen. Maybe Campoli at the right price.

Trade Kostitsyn now.

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UFA's - re-sign Gorges and Moen. Maybe Campoli at the right price.

Trade Kostitsyn now.
Nits, of course you're free to express your opinions but I wonder why I find so much to disagree with. In this case I agree that an effort should be made to re-sign Gorges and Moen. Campoli's status depends on the health of others. The reasons for keeping Kostitsyn appear scattered throughout this thread, so I need not repeat them.

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UFA's - re-sign Gorges and Moen. Maybe Campoli at the right price.

Trade Kostitsyn now.
Why trade andrei and for what?

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Emelin(25) 984k qualify
If you wanna keep him (happy), you're gonna have to shell out a tiny bit north of 1mil and for more than 1 year. And I think he's worth the investment.

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11-28-2011, 05:14 PM
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If you wanna keep him (happy), you're gonna have to shell out a tiny bit north of 1mil and for more than 1 year. And I think he's worth the investment.
i should have put an * for that one...

i actually think that by the end of the year, we should have enough of a sample of Emelin's NHL play to make either a bigger commitment (get him signed on a 2-3 year deal), or look to trade him b/c I think your right in that he wouldn't take very kindly to just being qualified, and if his play only warrants that (or he's not established himself as a clear top-6 "every night" player), then I imagine he'd be pushing for either a trade or a return to Russia.

don't see him being eager to come back next year in a 6-7-8 type role that he came into this year, and frankly his play thus far has, imo, shown enough that suggests he'll be a consencus top-4/5 guy by the end of the season.

in that case, a 2-3 year deal in the ~1.5M$/per would seem perfectly warranted. key would be to ensure the deal ends before his UFA starts...

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What contract would you want each player signed at for next season.


UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million ....see you later
Moen(29) 1.5 million .... 2 years 1.5 per
Darche(35) 700k ..bye bye
Spacek(37) 3.833 million ... nice knowing you
Gorges(27) 2.5 million ... if more than 3-3.5 ....get lost ...don`t overspend
Gill(36) 2.25 million ...dont let the dorr hit your head on the way out
Campoli(27) 1.75 million .... dime a dozen ...can find a Campoli anywhere


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million ...a must keep , our future second line center ....will be cheap
Engqvist(23) 900k ...cio cio
Palushaj(22) 883k .... ahve a nice life
White(23) 625k ....a nice 4th line guy on the cheap
Nokelainen(25) 550k .... who cares ...dime a dozen
Emelin(25) 984k .... I would keep ...some upside and cheap
Diaz(25) 900k .... dime a dozen ....get lost
Subban(22) 875k ..... a must 12.5/over 3
St. Denis(25) 605k ..... who ? see ya
Price(24) 2.75 million
....franchise - 25 over 5

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11-28-2011, 07:44 PM
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Kind of astounded Spacek is being thrown away so easily. Diaz and Emelin aren't sure things, what if one (or both) aren't progressing as we like? Maybe Weber regresses as well? If Spacek is ok with having a minimal role for 1-1.5 mil on a one year deal, I'd take it.

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Kind of astounded Spacek is being thrown away so easily. Diaz and Emelin aren't sure things, what if one (or both) aren't progressing as we like? Maybe Weber regresses as well? If Spacek is ok with having a minimal role for 1-1.5 mil on a one year deal, I'd take it.
If we need to retain a UFA LH d-man I would chose Campoli instead, younger and more mobile.

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Next season:

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - Eller - UFA
UFA - White - UFA

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Weber - UFA

Price
Budaj
You think that's gonna be our center squad? Good luck with that. We won't make the PO with those centers. We need a true grit producing second line center badly to replace Gomer. Eller should be third line for one more year, and DD should be on wing or gone. And white should be on wing with a big tough face-off winning C man if we can find one. Noke is OK too.


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UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million
Moen(29) 1.5 million
Darche(35) 700k
Spacek(37) 3.833 million
Gorges(27) 2.5 million
Gill(36) 2.25 million
Campoli(27) 1.75 million

1. Trade Andrei at the deadline
2. Sign Gorges for 2.7/per for three years
3. keep Campoli for 2 Mill/one season like as a spare tire
4. the rest, let them walk


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million
Engqvist(23) 900k
Palushaj(22) 883k
White(23) 625k
Nokelainen(25) 550k
Emelin(25) 984k
Diaz(25) 900k
Subban(22) 875k
St. Denis(25) 605k
Price(24) 2.75 million

1. Eller same amount, one more year
2. White same amount, one more year
3. Emelin same amount, one more year
4. Subban 2.5 per/ for 3 years
5. Price 1 year 3.5(just so he prove himself for one more year)
6. the rest, no interest

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2. Sign Gorges for 2.7/per for three years

4. Subban 2.5 per/ for 3 years
5. Price 1 year 3.5(just so he prove himself for one more year)
you do realize that it's 2011-2012, not 2001-2002, right ? (serious question)

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UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.5 million (Only 2 years no more)
Moen(29) 1.5 million (For 2 years and maximum 2 million/year)
Darche(35) 700k (UFA)
Spacek(37) 3.833 million (UFA)
Gorges(27) 2.5 million (4 years 4 millions/year)
Gill(36) 2.25 million (UFA)
Campoli(27) 1.75 million (UFA)


RFA's
Eller(22) 1.27 million (3years 1.75/year)
Engqvist(23) 900k (UFA)
Palushaj(22) 883k (UFA)
White(23) 625k (1 million /year 2 years)
Nokelainen(25) 550k (2 million for 2 years)
Emelin(25) 984k (1 million for 2 years)
Diaz(25) 900k (UFA)
Subban(22) 875k (5 years 4 million/year)
St. Denis(25) 605k (1 year 850K)
Price(24) 2.75 million (5 year 6 million/year contract like Pekka Rinne)

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UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million RE-SIGN
Moen(29) 1.5 million RE-SIGN
Darche(35) 700k GTFO
Spacek(37) 3.833 million GTFO
Gorges(27) 2.5 million RE-SIGN
Gill(36) 2.25 million LET GO
Campoli(27) 1.75 million MAYBE RE-SIGN

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UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million RE-SIGN
Moen(29) 1.5 million RE-SIGN
Darche(35) 700k GTFO
Spacek(37) 3.833 million GTFO
Gorges(27) 2.5 million RE-SIGN
Gill(36) 2.25 million LET GO
Campoli(27) 1.75 million MAYBE RE-SIGN
With Emelin,Weber,Diaz and St-Denis. With these players Campoli become a 6 or 7th D-man next year or the rest of this season. Habs need a D-Man like Emelin. Big , Tough , 2 Way D-Man , PP ,PK

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ok, as per my noooos in the quote below, we save : 13.28M (more than 15M if we don't reup Noke and if Palush and Engqv are in AHL)

now, Gorges deserves to be re-signed, Id say that 3M is about right. so that's not a huge increase.
PK and Price would get significant increase.
Price would kick up to 5M
PK up to 3.5M
so that's 3M a pice, total of 6M

we've already eaten half of the 13.28M by now
if we re-sign all of our rookie dmen RFA at the same price (sure we'll do), we are still at the same cap room and we have 7Ds which is quite alright. moreover since those guys will have one more season under their belt. might need an experienced guy later on, but let's look at the forwards first.

We re-sign the R. White and Lars Eller to same salary we therefore have only 9 FWRds (counting R. White). with biggest losses being Moen and Kost. We could add Palus/Engqv/Dumont to regular lineup if needed. but as is, we have 8.5M free and we need 3 Forwards and maybe 1 vet D.

Interesting names I see on the 2012 UFAs are :
Parise
Penner
Liles
Wideman
T. Ruutu
Beauchemin
Jackman
Stoll
Suter
Carle
Gaustad
Stempiak
Boychuk
Moss
Tootoo
Burish
Brodziak
G. Campbell so that we can have the League on our side.
Carcillo


Of course we want the grand slam and get that Parise (or Ryan Suter) guy... but he's likely scoring 7M or more (now just imagine if we also could get rid of Scottie Gonzo Gomez) so we have to split the cash among 3-4 guys.

my (realistic) priority :

Boychuk
Gaustad
Carcillo
Jackman
Ruutu
Tootoo
Stoll
Carle

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What contract would you want each player signed at for next season.


UFA's
Kostitsyn(26) 3.25 million NO
Moen(29) 1.5 million NO
Darche(35) 700k NO
Spacek(37) 3.833 million NO
Gorges(27) 2.5 million YES YES YES
Gill(36) 2.25 million NO
Campoli(27) 1.75 million NO

maybe no to Noke, Palus & Enqvist or yes, but in AHL

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Gomez will be easily moved at the deadline this year or in the offseason because his team hit goes way down for the rest of his contract. So Parise will be in play for us if we want to correct Gainey's mistake of underbidding for him at the draft several years ago (and getting outbid by reknowned cheapskate Lamoriello).

I think Suter is signed. Not sure about the rest of that list. No thanks. Penner sucks, I've seen him enough here in LA.

We need a big, tough shutdown D imo. Don't see any there that really fit the bill.

Gaustad would be nice.

We need a scorer - bigtime tho. Parise..



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ok, as per my noooos in the quote below, we save : 13.28M (more than 15M if we don't reup Noke and if Palush and Engqv are in AHL)

now, Gorges deserves to be re-signed, Id say that 3M is about right. so that's not a huge increase.
PK and Price would get significant increase.
Price would kick up to 5M
PK up to 3.5M
so that's 3M a pice, total of 6M

we've already eaten half of the 13.28M by now
if we re-sign all of our rookie dmen RFA at the same price (sure we'll do), we are still at the same cap room and we have 7Ds which is quite alright. moreover since those guys will have one more season under their belt. might need an experienced guy later on, but let's look at the forwards first.

We re-sign the R. White and Lars Eller to same salary we therefore have only 9 FWRds (counting R. White). with biggest losses being Moen and Kost. We could add Palus/Engqv/Dumont to regular lineup if needed. but as is, we have 8.5M free and we need 3 Forwards and maybe 1 vet D.

Interesting names I see on the 2012 UFAs are :
Parise
Penner
Liles
Wideman
T. Ruutu
Beauchemin
Jackman
Stoll
Suter
Carle
Gaustad
Stempiak
Boychuk
Moss
Tootoo
Burish
Brodziak
G. Campbell so that we can have the League on our side.
Carcillo


Of course we want the grand slam and get that Parise (or Ryan Suter) guy... but he's likely scoring 7M or more (now just imagine if we also could get rid of Scottie Gonzo Gomez) so we have to split the cash among 3-4 guys.

my (realistic) priority :

Boychuk
Gaustad
Carcillo
Jackman
Ruutu
Tootoo
Stoll
Carle

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