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11-29-2011, 02:24 PM
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So who's not playing in the top 9 then?

I also really don't think mikes a good fit with lavis up tempo forechecking system.

One of the reasons I loved the Richards and carter trades is because giroux would be on the ice more...
Knuble's done absolutely fine in Washington's up-tempo system.

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Anyone else worried that Nödl may not pass the physical examination with the Canes?

He could not finish his last game due to a collision with Briere and has been kept out of last year's playoffs due to a concussion...

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So who's not playing in the top 9 then?

I also really don't think mikes a good fit with lavis up tempo forechecking system.

One of the reasons I loved the Richards and carter trades is because giroux would be on the ice more...
Remember the years when we stuck Mike Richards with not-so-great wingers?

It's kind pointless to try and argue missing Knuble is inconsequential simply because it didn't break the team. Agreeing with bad asset management doesn't necessarily mean you've gone to the dark side either, we're all still fans after all.


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11-29-2011, 02:28 PM
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Ever fly a kite when you were a kid, let out all the string to let it fly higher and higher only to find out that the string was not tied to the handle?
So this is the milbury islanders then? PH has traded away all our young talent for aging hasbeens and we have no young future then...I see...the NHL cupboard is bare.

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11-29-2011, 02:31 PM
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It's the words from Homer's own mouth. Holmgren messed up. Once again, we gift a perfectly good player to another team for free because Homer can't manage cap space or the contract limit. These aren't new problems, they're ongoing and show no sign of being corrected.

Powe was worth a 3rd. I find it highly unlikely Nodl couldn't have gotten a pick from someone.
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You do realize Carolina claimed him, right? That says they feel he's better than some random AHL call up.

Homer gave away Nodl for nothing. Carolina may have offered a 5th round pick for him. We'll never know, because Homer chose to "gauge interest" rather than trying to trade him. How can anyone defend that?
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Holmgren says he put him on waivers to "gauge interest". What the **** does that mean to you? At no time does he mention trying to work a deal for Nodl, and Holmgren isn't bright enough to lie about it.

And no, I don't think Holmgren is swift enough to try to get something for him.
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I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have a **** ton of injuries, and my defense is kind of falling to pieces right now.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as we have multiple players capable of taking his roster spot. Also, we're maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade to help my defense.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

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11-29-2011, 02:34 PM
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Hi,

I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have a **** ton of injuries, and my defense is kind of falling to pieces right now.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as we have multiple players capable of taking his roster spot. Also, we're maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade to help my defense.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

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Right because Holmgren has never made trades when close to the cap or contract limit, never happened.

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Right because Holmgren has never made trades when close to the cap or contract limit, never happened.

So you would make a trade for a nothing player like Nodl, when you could have a shot at him without giving up anything?

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Hi,

I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have a **** ton of injuries, and my defense is kind of falling to pieces right now.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as we have multiple players capable of taking his roster spot. Also, we're maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade to help my defense.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

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GM X
In the same vein,

Hello, I'm the Carolina GM. My team is desperate for a defensive specialist who won't embarass himself if he's slotted onto the 2nd or 3rd line. I don't need a first liner, I need someone to help my team not give up a ton of goals. I'm wondering if we can make a dea... hey, I can get this guy for free. Awesome.

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So you would make a trade for a nothing player like Nodl, when you could have a shot at him without giving up anything?
No team should have been able to get him for free, that's kind of the point.

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In the same vein,

Hello, I'm the Carolina GM. My team is desperate for a defensive specialist who won't embarass himself if he's slotted onto the 2nd or 3rd line. I don't need a first liner, I need someone to help my team not give up a ton of goals. I'm wondering if we can make a dea... hey, I can get this guy for free. Awesome.
He's not a top 6 player.

And he is nothing special. There are player's around that provide what he does.

It would be poor asset management to give something up for a guy like that when you know there's a huge chance he'll be on the waiver wire.


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Hi,

I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have a **** ton of injuries, and my defense is kind of falling to pieces right now.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as we have multiple players capable of taking his roster spot. Also, we're maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade to help my defense.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

Sincerely,
GM X
Hi,

I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have been ordered by my owner to acquire an expensive goalie at all costs, but we are tight against the cap and we can't afford to re-sign him.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as I plan on trading for a bunch of assets in a hot minute. Also, we're just about maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade (or two) to fit my expensive goalie.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

Sincerely,

Paul Holmgren
GM, Philadelphia Flyers

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Paul,

I'd love to have him! Here's a 3rd rounder. Thanks so much!

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Hi,

I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have a **** ton of injuries, and my defense is kind of falling to pieces right now.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as we have multiple players capable of taking his roster spot. Also, we're maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade to help my defense.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

Sincerely,
GM X
Hi,
I hear Bobby Ryan is available and is in your doghouse. I am sorry to say I have zero interest in him because he'd be redundant on our team, as we have a number of promising young forwards with unlimited potential.
Maybe if you waive him I will pick him up.
Have a nice day.
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No team should have been able to get him for free, that's kind of the point.
If the point is we shouldn't be maxed out on contracts, or so close to the cap, then fine. But we are, which is why someone like Nodl isn't going to draw interest in a trade. He's not important enough to give something of value for when you have a good shot at getting him for free if you wait.

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Well another one of BroadstreetHockey's forum favorites gone. Geoff not happy about losing his other boy (He loves(ed) Boucher and Nodl)

Also I dont know if I consider this a blunder or a positive. If anything I think its neutral at the moment and cant be decided till a later time. I do question how no one would give up ANYTHING for him though... like not even a 7th? Yea Homer fanboys will say a 7th is nothing, but it is actually something or could turn into a something.

Nodl sucks though. Was never a fan of him. Atleast we wont hear "put Nodl in the top 9" that some of his fans were saying.

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Hi,

I have a 3rd/4th line defensive player I'd like to move. He's pretty much lacking in offensive ability, but he's a hard worker. I want to move him because I have been ordered by my owner to acquire an expensive goalie at all costs, but we are tight against the cap and we can't afford to re-sign him.

Actually, to be honest with you I wouldn't mind keeping him, but he's kind of redundant as I plan on trading for a bunch of assets in a hot minute. Also, we're just about maxed out at contracts right now, and like 45 cents from the cap so I really need to move someone in order to make a trade (or two) to fit my expensive goalie.

Would you have any interest in a trade for this player?

Sincerely,

Paul Holmgren
GM, Philadelphia Flyers

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Paul,

I'd love to have him! Here's a 3rd rounder. Thanks so much!

Sincerely,

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GM, Minnesota Wild
We traded Powe in the offseason. Completely different situation. No one is desperate in the offseason.

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We traded Powe in the offseason. Completely different situation. No one is desperate in the offseason.
We were pretty desperate for a goalie, as was made perfectly clear by Snider immediately after the playoffs. It was very clear that we needed to haul off some cap space.

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We traded Powe in the offseason. Completely different situation. No one is desperate in the offseason.
Nodl is still worth more than zero. To Carolina and likely 5-10 other teams.

Oh, and go back two summers ago on the Hawks board to see an offseason mess and the ability to make something out of a horrible situation.

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In the same vein,

Hello, I'm the Carolina GM. My team is desperate for a defensive specialist who won't embarass himself if he's slotted onto the 2nd or 3rd line. I don't need a first liner, I need someone to help my team not give up a ton of goals. I'm wondering if we can make a dea... hey, I can get this guy for free. Awesome.
Did they claim someone else? Because that's not the Nodl I know.

I was once mad he traded Picard, that ended up mattering alot.

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I have no problems with Nodl being waived, my issue is with what Homer said. (I guess this is my chiming in on the DFF vs Beef/Jester battle.)

I will not claim that we could have gotten something for Nodl in a trade. I don't like to make such assumptions. Do I think we could have? I lean more yes than no; but it is far from a certainty and I don't like to act as such.

However, when Homer claims that he is being waived to "gauge interest" that just makes him look like a complete and utter moron, who truly (once again) does not understand how to manage his assets. It is not WHAT happened, but HOW it happened, that makes him appear this way.

What he should have said was "well, we were trying to make some space, and give Nodl an opportunity somewhere. I made some calls to see what sort of interest there was, and ultimately, we decided to put him on waivers to give him a chance somewhere." That is the intelligent, and reasonable explanation; and imo is impossible to argue against. It shows that you understand your player's value, you did your due diligence, and made a decision in the best interest's of your team AND your player. It also leaves NO room for interpretation. There are no Beef's that can say "we should have traded him for something" and there are no DFF's that say "of course he shopped around first".

Homer's inability to explain his actions/thought processes (or lack thereof) just make him look really, really stupid. People shouldn't need to try to read into what you mean.

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None of which actually have mattered all that much to the long term course if this team. The coburn deal alone has had more of an impact on this team...
Long term course means Stanely Cup right? Last I checked we havent won it in awhile so the long term course still hasnt been reached. So technically, these choices have affected the course of the team. Since you are saying that they didnt negatively affect the team, I can easily state that you have no proof that it positively affect the team right?

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We were pretty desperate for a goalie, as was made perfectly clear by Snider immediately after the playoffs. It was very clear that we needed to haul off some cap space.
Lol yes we were, but we both know that we caused our on desperation. We bid against ourselves with Bryz. We could have just stuck with Bob or did something minor, but we made ourselves desperate for a goalie.

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Nodl is still worth more than zero. To Carolina and likely 5-10 other teams.
Possibly. But like I said you're in a business, and you measure the opportunity cost of situations. Or at least, you should.

Is someone like Nodl really worth anything to you if you have a chance of getting him for nothing? Is he that much better than what you have that he requires parting with something of even marginal value?

To me, no. To you, maybe. I can honestly see a situation in which Holmgren called around and simply got nothing.

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Nodl is still worth more than zero. To Carolina and likely 5-10 other teams.

Oh, and go back two summers ago on the Hawks board to see an offseason mess and the ability to make something out of a horrible situation.
The players the hawks dumped were much better than Nodl.

Nodl isn't worthless in vacuum. It doesn't take nostradamus to see that we might have waived him. I have a hard time believing that PH didn't announce he was available.
I just don't think the phone rang...for many reasons.
I also am not surprised that he didn't come out at a PC and say "we tried to trade Nodl, but nobody called". We are not that player unfriendly.

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The players the hawks dumped were much better than Nodl.

Nodl isn't worthless in vacuum. It doesn't take nostradamus to see that we might have waived him. I have a hard time believing that PH didn't announce he was available.
I just don't think the phone rang...for many reasons.
I also am not surprised that he didn't come out at a PC and say "we tried to trade Nodl, but nobody called". We are not that player unfriendly.
We certainly are that player unfriendly. We ran Gagne out of town, and then signed Richards and Carter to organization friendly contracts before shafting them (one harder than the other) and trading them off. Trying to find a trade partner, failing, and publicly saying so is much better overall than those three instances.

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The players the hawks dumped were much better than Nodl.

Nodl isn't worthless in vacuum. It doesn't take nostradamus to see that we might have waived him. I have a hard time believing that PH didn't announce he was available.
I just don't think the phone rang...for many reasons.
I also am not surprised that he didn't come out at a PC and say "we tried to trade Nodl, but nobody called". We are not that player unfriendly.
It doesn't mean that nobody called though. It just means you couldn't come to an agreement. Maybe we didn't want to trade Nodl to, say, Pittsburgh. All you have to say is "we made a few calls but were unable to work anything out, so we decided to give him an opportunity on waivers."

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Homer's inability to explain his actions/thought processes (or lack thereof) just make him look really, really stupid. People shouldn't need to try to read into what you mean.
Problem is he only owes one guy an explanation. He's under no obligation to really say anything to any of us or the media. He just gave a Rasheed Wallace "both teams tried hard".

Bug the phones, then youll get the real "Nodl behind the scenes".

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