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11-29-2011, 04:27 PM
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That makes sense. On the other hand, I think you need to at least think about moving them if a bona fide 1W becomes available--which Ryan is. I would much rather move Schenn + for Ryan--who is under contract for four more years--than a UFA 1D like Suter.
I guess I believe Couts and Schenn can be "1" level players. I'd rather have them be that in 3 years when we need briere/hartnell replacements than logjam our already crowded forward group today.

I don't want Suter for Schenn Couts either. Has to be 22-23 year old chip. We can sign Suter easy enough of we want to if he makes UFA

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11-29-2011, 04:37 PM
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I guess I believe Couts and Schenn can be "1" level players. I'd rather have them be that in 3 years when we need briere/hartnell replacements than logjam our already crowded forward group today.

I don't want Suter for Schenn Couts either. Has to be 22-23 year old chip. We can sign Suter easy enough of we want to if he makes UFA
Can't believe people are making it seem like we'd be adding another 2nd/3rd line winger. We'd be adding a young superstar, top end talent, someone who can ravage the NHL for years on a line with Giroux and JvR. We'd bring in someone who has the scoring ability of Jagr, with the physical edge of Hartnell (minus the penalties) who is only 24 years old. He wouldn't be adding to the logjam of forwards at all.

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Snider, Clarke and Holmgren all love Bobby Ryan. When the day comes that Bobby Ryan is traded - it will be to the Philadelphia Flyers. Which means Holmgren will probably have to over-pay.

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11-29-2011, 05:00 PM
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Can't believe people are making it seem like we'd be adding another 2nd/3rd line winger. We'd be adding a young superstar, top end talent, someone who can ravage the NHL for years on a line with Giroux and JvR. We'd bring in someone who has the scoring ability of Jagr, with the physical edge of Hartnell (minus the penalties) who is only 24 years old. He wouldn't be adding to the logjam of forwards at all.
I like Ryan, but in no world does he even come close to the scoring ability of 'Jagr' - nor will he ever.

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11-29-2011, 05:04 PM
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Can't believe people are making it seem like we'd be adding another 2nd/3rd line winger. We'd be adding a young superstar, top end talent, someone who can ravage the NHL for years on a line with Giroux and JvR. We'd bring in someone who has the scoring ability of Jagr, with the physical edge of Hartnell (minus the penalties) who is only 24 years old. He wouldn't be adding to the logjam of forwards at all.
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11-29-2011, 05:06 PM
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I think he means at Jagr's current age. Not Jagr in his prime

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Can someone answer me as to why Anaheim would even shop him?


And no worries, we always get our man. He'll be 35 and done, but dammit we'll get him!!

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11-29-2011, 05:15 PM
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Can someone answer me as to why Anaheim would even shop him?


And no worries, we always get our man. He'll be 35 and done, but dammit we'll get him!!
Anaheim is lacking any secondary scoring right now. Its been a problem for some time but with the big three always producing so much it never really was an issue. Now that the big three arent lighting it on fire they are lacking a ton of offense. They MIGHT want to move him for depth, but they have budget problems as well. Its a difficult situation to be in right now for the Ducks

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11-29-2011, 05:15 PM
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Can't believe people are making it seem like we'd be adding another 2nd/3rd line winger. We'd be adding a young superstar, top end talent, someone who can ravage the NHL for years on a line with Giroux and JvR. We'd bring in someone who has the scoring ability of Jagr, with the physical edge of Hartnell (minus the penalties) who is only 24 years old. He wouldn't be adding to the logjam of forwards at all.
This has nothing to do with talent an everything to do with roster space and cap room.
Don't want to pay a guy 5 mil per to play 15 mins a game on the 3rd line. We need a d man now, and a young one in the system long term.
Unless ANH is taking briere or hartnell (which I don't see) its not realistic.

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11-29-2011, 05:15 PM
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I like Ryan, but in no world does he even come close to the scoring ability of 'Jagr' - nor will he ever.
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I think he means at Jagr's current age. Not Jagr in his prime
Thank you. He would replace and probably exceed Jagr's output once Jagr leaves the team, whether it be this offseason or whenever.

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11-29-2011, 05:16 PM
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This has nothing to do with talent an everything to do with roster space and cap room.
Don't want to pay a guy 5 mil per to play 15 mins a game on the 3rd line. We need a d man now, and a young one in the system long term.
Unless ANH is taking briere or hartnell (which I don't see) its not realistic.
About as realistic as you believing that Bobby Ryan will be on our 3rd line...

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11-29-2011, 05:18 PM
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The fact that people would pass over an opportunity to get Bobby Ryan is unthinkable. Yes our scoring depth is great...so far. Yes we need defense first. But you don't pass up a player of this caliber, especially since we may his first choice as a trade.

I've been supportive of ALL of these players this season and look forward to their futures, but to be realistic:

-Jagr is 39, might not be back next year
-Hartnell is on fire, we already saw him when he was ineffective this season
-Briere is off to a slow start
-JvR is off to a slow start, and is now injured
-Schenn has proven nothing (yet I still think he will)
-Couturier is buried on the 4th line
-Read, Talbot have exceeded expectations and overachieved
-Voracek is a wild card, and an RFA at the end of the season
-...What if Giroux gets hurt?

Just can't pass up this opportunity to strengthen the team imo.
You pass when the player does not easily fit into your team's structure and needs. I like Ryan a lot, but he does not fill a need on this roster.

You also are not factoring in what it may cost. You don't decimate your roster to get a player that is a luxury.

Short of Holmgren making some sort of ridiculous steal of a trade, it doesnt make sense.

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11-29-2011, 05:20 PM
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Anaheim is lacking any secondary scoring right now. Its been a problem for some time but with the big three always producing so much it never really was an issue. Now that the big three arent lighting it on fire they are lacking a ton of offense. They MIGHT want to move him for depth, but they have budget problems as well. Its a difficult situation to be in right now for the Ducks
Cool, thanks for the insight.

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Burke was on TSN radio and they asked him about Bobby Ryan and he said something like he can't answer any questions because that would be tampering. But he also didn't say it's just a rumor or anything like that. Could this rumor really have legs? I would absolutely hate the Leafs getting him

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yes but a lot of it was scored against Jets, Jackets. Let's be honest, so far JVR did not work very hard this season. Skating was not there for the most part, same goes for physical play as well as his play without the puck and especially in d-sive zone was a suspect this season. Overall, itís been inconsistent. Very few times he had to work hard for his goals this season.
... he was on pace for a 30-30 season prior to his injury. You'll bank that "inconsistency" every year and be happy.

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Burke was on TSN radio and they asked him about Bobby Ryan and he said something like he can't answer any questions because that would be tampering. But he also didn't say it's just a rumor or anything like that. Could this rumor really have legs? I would absolutely hate the Leafs getting him


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Flyers are currently shopping for a defensemen, not for Bobby Ryan. But like I said. The Flyers have always had a thing for the hometown kid
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Okay... Not shopping for Bobby Ryan from what I've been told, up until last night.
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11-29-2011, 05:31 PM
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About as realistic as you believing that Bobby Ryan will be on our 3rd line...
Not necessarily Ryan, but there will be high priced or at the very least young talented guys who get pushed down. Wayne stone hands is still playing first line pp. lavi is odd with lines all the time.

I don't see what ANH wants from us...

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Bobby Mac has spoken

http://twitter.com/#!/D_LEED/status/141662458447273985

"Bobby Mac on TSN1050 says ANA looking for a 2C, Top4D and 1st/Prospect in any Bobby Ryan Deal. "

Looks like this rumor is legit

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Not necessarily Ryan, but there will be high priced or at the very least young talented guys who get pushed down. Wayne stone hands is still playing first line pp. lavi is odd with lines all the time.

I don't see what ANH wants from us...
We have the most to offer besides maybe St. Louis. Toronto is back to their "Bozak/Franson, Kadri" ways. I'm not sure what I'd be completely willing to give up for him. I know I wouldnt move Couturier or Giroux, and I've stay away from moving JvR if possible. I'd love to hang onto Schenn and Voracek, but they both seem likely to go, unless they want a defenseman. And like everyone else, I'd like to avoid losing a dman unless there's one coming back.

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11-29-2011, 05:45 PM
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I think he means at Jagr's current age. Not Jagr in his prime
i know what he meant, but Jagr will still outscore bobby ryan right now IMO, and bobby ryan is my favorite hockey player that's not a flyer

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I offered JVR + Voracek + Carle for Ryan + Sbisa on the main trade rumors board. What do use think? If they're looking for a #2 center though it would probably have to involve Schenn.

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I offered JVR + Voracek + Carle for Ryan + Sbisa on the main trade rumors board. What do use think? If they're looking for a #2 center though it would probably have to involve Schenn.
I'd pass on this deal. Sbisa is nothing special, a marginal improvement over Carle at best. He might be better in the future though. JVR and Voracek combined should be able to match if not surpass Ryan's output. They are around the same age and JvR could wind up being Bobby Ryan's equal. Voracek appears to be mired in the 20-goal area, so trading him is NBD. I don't think the Flyers will make a move for Ryan. He's good, no doubt. But what we'd have to give up would likely be an overpayment.

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trading JVR would ruin any chance of future long term contracts with Paul Holmgren

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**UPDATED NHL RUMOR**Source: Ducks shopping Ryan all over league (Leafs/Habs/Sabres/Islanders) now Rangers + Flyers jumped in #Posturing
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