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11-28-2011, 11:53 PM
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You're going to leave a scar picking at that scab all the time. The trade, that is; not Richards.
No, but I'm pretty sure that if you don't trade for Pronger, Richards is still here.

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11-29-2011, 12:43 AM
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So was Richards'.
And Gagne.

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No, but I'm pretty sure that if you don't trade for Pronger, Richards is still here.
This is a big hangup for me; entrusting the future of the franchise to an old player instead of someone younger. It's clear they decided to hitch their wagon to someone who was starting to physically decline. I'm not sure I trust the wisdom there.

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11-29-2011, 01:08 AM
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Holmgren was bidding against himself in acquiring Pronger. I think that is the thing that people do forget. No other team even aproached the Ducks about Pronger except for Holmgren. It doesnt matter who those players were that the Ducks drafted with the 1st rounders we gave them. The price shouldnt of been that high. Losing Sbisa and the 1st that year was fine. The 1st the following year should of been conditional on winning the Cup. not the 3rd.
The contract extension was stupid and another case of piss poor mismangement. No one in the organization failed to realize the contract was a 35+ one until it was too late and filed with the league. Someone didnt do their homework and now its beginning to look like its going to bite us in the ass. big time.

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11-30-2011, 11:51 AM
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Quantitive analysis of Pronger's worth thus far

Posted this in the trade rumor complicated by the cap thread but the data are pretty revealing...

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After a heartbreaking loss to the Chicago Blackhawks in Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals, over the 2010-11 season and the start of this year, the Flyers have suited up 116 times — Pronger has played in only 66 of those games.

The 37-year-old captain appeared in three of the Flyers’ 11 2010-11 playoff games, 50 of 82 regular season games and this season, Pronger took the ice in just 13 of the Flyers’ 23 games. Add it up and over the past 13 months, the defenseman missed a total of 50 games.

(The following table is from www.tsn.ca)

2011/11/28 Knee surgery, sidelined indefinitely.
2011/11/21 Illness, day-to-day.
2011/11/09 Missed 6 games (right eye injury).
2011/11/01 Right eye injury, injured reserve.
2011/10/26 Right eye injury, sidelined indefinitely.
2011/05/06 Missed 3 playoff games (undisclosed).
2011/05/02 Undisclosed, day-to-day.
2011/04/24 Missed the last 16 games of the regular season and 5 playoff games (right hand injury).
2011/03/10 Right hand injury, day-to-day.
2011/03/03 Missed 1 game (hand injury).
2011/02/26 Hand injury, day-to-day.
2011/01/20 Missed 13 games (right foot surgery).
2010/12/18 Right foot surgery, injured reserve.
2010/10/11 Missed 2 games (knee surgery).
2010/10/07 Knee surgery, day-to-day.
2009/07/07 Signed by the Philadelphia Flyers to a multi-year contract extension.
2009/06/26 Acquired from the Anaheim Ducks.

Throw in the recently reported surgery list per Sam Carchidi (five over the last 16 months) and the future looks blurry for No. 20 in orange.

Is he wearing down? Apparently, the Flyers may think so.

http://thehockeyguys.net/flyers-read...gger-on-trade/
Figured I'd bump this since the list will be longer and more extended....ugh!


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11-30-2011, 12:14 PM
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IMO was trading for Pronger a bad move? No. Was his contract extension a bad move? Yes.

Was signing a number one goalie in Bryzgalov a bad move? No. Was his contract length ridiculous? Yes.

(Check out Capgeek's buyout calc for Bryz. Cap hit through 2027-28!!!

http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calcul...player_id=1141 )

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11-30-2011, 12:47 PM
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If the next CBA has an amnesty buy-out, do you buy-out Bryz contract or Prongers?

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11-30-2011, 12:55 PM
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If the next CBA has an amnesty buy-out, do you buy-out Bryz contract or Prongers?
Ooooo that's tough. If Bob's play is better then Bryz this whole season I say buyout Bryz.

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11-30-2011, 01:50 PM
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Id do pronger.. You guys need to realize that bryz had a bad start.. then went something like 5-0-1 in a 6 game period. Chillax.

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11-30-2011, 02:01 PM
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It's way to early to think about buying out Bryz, and this is coming from someone who despises that contract. We're only about 20 games into a 720+ game contract.

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12-09-2011, 01:32 PM
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Bump...see post 179 above

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12-09-2011, 01:43 PM
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If the next CBA has an amnesty buy-out, do you buy-out Bryz contract or Prongers?
I say buy out Bryz. Prong you can put him on LTIR for the rest of his career with numerous injuries to site, such as concussion, nerve degeneration and now knee issues. He could potentially retire due to injuries and not count against the cap.

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12-09-2011, 02:15 PM
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I say buy out Bryz. Prong you can put him on LTIR for the rest of his career with numerous injuries to site, such as concussion, nerve degeneration and now knee issues. He could potentially retire due to injuries and not count against the cap.
My understanding, his contract will count against the cap if he retires (35+ contract)

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12-09-2011, 02:24 PM
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My understanding, his contract will count against the cap if he retires (35+ contract)
I dont think so if we can prove it was early retirement due to injuries. And the whole nerve thing should be pretty easy to prove , as well as a variety of others that he has sustained this year.

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12-09-2011, 02:40 PM
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I dont think so if we can prove it was early retirement due to injuries. And the whole nerve thing should be pretty easy to prove , as well as a variety of others that he has sustained this year.
Even that doesn't matter. Retiring is retiring, and it counts.

He would have to be injured and attempting to come back in order for us to LTIR him. This is what we did with Rathje and what we are doing with Lappy. (Although Lappy is shady, because the Flyers don't appear to be faking an attempt to come back very much.) Notice that Lappy has never retired, because he can't officially say "I'm retired" because it would screw the Flyers.

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Even that doesn't matter. Retiring is retiring, and it counts.

He would have to be injured and attempting to come back in order for us to LTIR him. This is what we did with Rathje and what we are doing with Lappy. (Although Lappy is shady, because the Flyers don't appear to be faking an attempt to come back very much.) Notice that Lappy has never retired, because he can't officially say "I'm retired" because it would screw the Flyers.

When i said retire i meant figuratively. With the Nerve situation we can just say we are waiting for the the nerve to start responding and wait for it to fully grow and heal....and that may or may not take 5 years or so wink wink

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Even that doesn't matter. Retiring is retiring, and it counts.

He would have to be injured and attempting to come back in order for us to LTIR him. This is what we did with Rathje and what we are doing with Lappy. (Although Lappy is shady, because the Flyers don't appear to be faking an attempt to come back very much.) Notice that Lappy has never retired, because he can't officially say "I'm retired" because it would screw the Flyers.
Pronger falls in that same category. One more serious injury and he's likely to be able to get that doctor's note saying never fit to play again.

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12-09-2011, 03:07 PM
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Pronger falls in that same category. One more serious injury and he's likely to be able to get that doctor's note saying never fit to play again.
I think he already has the doctors note

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When i said retire i meant figuratively. With the Nerve situation we can just say we are waiting for the the nerve to start responding and wait for it to fully grow and heal....and that may or may not take 5 years or so wink wink
ok, gotcha.

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Pronger falls in that same category. One more serious injury and he's likely to be able to get that doctor's note saying never fit to play again.
I understand that. I just misunderstood him and thought that he believed Pronger could ACTUALLY retire due to injuries, thus removing his cap hit.

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