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11-30-2011, 09:09 PM
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But Briere is playoff warrior. This team is young enough - we need him!

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11-30-2011, 09:10 PM
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Some clown offered : Kadri, MacArthur, Aulie, and a 2nd for Ryan.
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11-30-2011, 09:14 PM
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But Briere is playoff warrior. This team is young enough - we need him!
Not denying that Briere is a playoff warrior... he is. I thank him for all he's done here, but I'd move him in a heartbeat for Ryan.

He's just not @ all responsible defensively and we have a chance to get younger and replace his production w/ a elite power forward. And we'd also clear a massive amount of cap room... which is nice.

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11-30-2011, 09:15 PM
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Pretty sure Brayden Schenn plays center. He was on the #2 line already when he was called up, and he's more defensively responsible than Briere.

I dunno what the problem would be with these lines:

Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr
JVR-Schenn-Ryan
Read-Couturier-Simmonds
HarryZ-Talbot-Rinaldo

other than the fact that they are just too sick, I don't see any problems.

Edit: And you can actually add Blake to the list of forwards. Dunno what we'd do w/ him, but I'd take him back to make the trade work.
Brayden Schenn has played a total of 12 NHL career games totaling 2 points. Rookies rarely jump right in to fill the role of a veteran (established) center. If you don't see the problem with having Giroux alongside 2 rookies down the middle, I don't know what to tell ya.

Though the argument "they would be sick" sure makes a valid point.

He has a NMC, so it won't be happening anyhow.

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11-30-2011, 09:16 PM
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Some clown offered : Kadri, MacArthur, Aulie, and a 2nd for Ryan.
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To be fair, another offered Schenn, Kulemin, Kadri, and a 2012 1st.

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11-30-2011, 09:17 PM
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Latest twits on twitter say the flyers are out of the ryan sweepstakes they want schenn or jvr in the package homer wont deal eithier..

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11-30-2011, 09:20 PM
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Not denying that Briere is a playoff warrior... he is. I thank him for all he's done here, but I'd move him in a heartbeat for Ryan.

He's just not @ all responsible defensively and we have a chance to get younger and replace his production w/ a elite power forward. And we'd also clear a massive amount of cap room... which is nice.
Briere's cap is only about 1.4 million higher than Ryan, and becoming younger is not, itself, a goal.

I don't think Briere can be moved for a few different reasons--NMC, the Richards / Carter trades, and the structure of the team. I'd prefer to move Schenn, who, if he turns out to be fantastic, might reach Briere's level of production (albeit with better d / all around game) around the time that Pronger and Jagr are getting inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.

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11-30-2011, 09:20 PM
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Brayden Schenn has played a total of 12 NHL career games totaling 2 points. Rookies rarely jump right in to fill the role of a veteran (established) center. If you don't see the problem with having Giroux alongside 2 rookies down the middle, I don't know what to tell ya.

Though the argument "they would be sick" sure makes a valid point.
Generally you use the argument that you want veterans down the middle b/c you're worried about rookies being defensively responsible. In this place, you'd be replacing Briere down the middle w/ an excellent 2 way player and a guy who can help on the PK too.

Briere does nothing for you defensively. NOTHING. He is straight offense. And his offense production can (and would) be replaced by Ryan. Ryan also adds a nice 2 way game. He's pretty solid defensively.

Meanwhile, Voracek's production could be replaced by Schenn. Schenn is once again better defensively, can play the PK, etc. He also looked great offensively during his stint up here. But apparently nobody saw that b/c he didn't light the lamp b/c the team was going through a slump @ the time.

It's amazing that people will use stats to say Schenn isn't ready but those same people will turn around and criticize JVR even though he has the stats right now b/c he isn't "consistent enough".

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11-30-2011, 09:28 PM
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Generally you use the argument that you want veterans down the middle b/c you're worried about rookies being defensively responsible. In this place, you'd be replacing Briere down the middle w/ an excellent 2 way player and a guy who can help on the PK too.

Briere does nothing for you defensively. NOTHING. He is straight offense. And his offense production can (and would) be replaced by Ryan. Ryan also adds a nice 2 way game. He's pretty solid defensively.

Meanwhile, Voracek's production could be replaced by Schenn. Schenn is once again better defensively, can play the PK, etc. He also looked great offensively during his stint up here. But apparently nobody saw that b/c he didn't light the lamp b/c the team was going through a slump @ the time.

It's amazing that people will use stats to say Schenn isn't ready but those same people will turn around and criticize JVR even though he has the stats right now b/c he isn't "consistent enough".
Not only that, you are afraid of rookies producing at all in circumstances where they have to or your club sinks. A center (regardless of potential) who isn't quite ready to tack on big minutes can seriously diminish a lines offensive production. Also, simply because Schenn has been a great 2-way forward in lesser leagues, doesn't mean he's yet capable to fill that role in the NHL.

It's amazing that you think it's as simple as musical chairs, getting younger, and lollipops and candycanes will lead the way. How about that NMC?

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11-30-2011, 09:31 PM
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http://twitter.com/#!/icemancometh/s...82793390866434

"Several reports now that Flyers are not one of the teams in on #NHLDucks winger Bobby Ryan."

This roller coaster is hurting my heart right now

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11-30-2011, 09:32 PM
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"Several reports now that Flyers are not one of the teams in on #NHLDucks winger Bobby Ryan."

This roller coaster is hurting my heart right now
Is he a verifiable source?

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11-30-2011, 09:35 PM
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Is he a verifiable source?
Beat writer for the Ducks.. I am just throwing it out there. Although i still take Bob Mckenzie's word over anyone's

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11-30-2011, 09:40 PM
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Not only that, you are afraid of rookies producing at all in circumstances where they have to or your club sinks. A center (regardless of potential) who isn't quite ready to tack on big minutes can seriously diminish a lines offensive production. Also, simply because Schenn has been a great 2-way forward in lesser leagues, doesn't mean he's yet capable to fill that role in the NHL.

It's amazing that you think it's as simple as musical chairs, getting younger, and lollipops and candycanes will lead the way. How about that NMC?
I'd ignore the NMC for now b/c none of us can realistically say whether or not he'd waive it. Obviously if the NMC doesn't get waived, deal is dead.

If it does though, I would make that trade.

Obviously you disagree. No problem. I don't think it's all lollipops and candycanes though. I've watched Schenn during his 5 game cup of joe up here and I've watched every one of his Phantoms games and I came away impressed. I believe from what I saw that he'd be up to 2nd line C duties. He has an NHL body, he is physical, he is fast, he is defensively responsible, he can win faceoffs, and his vision is incredible.

And btw, what you said about a Center greatly reducing a line's offense if he isn't ready, that's true of any position. A winger on a line that isn't ready would also reduce that lines effectiveness. So Voracek or Read or any of the others could've derailed a line... but they didn't. Schenn is ready. He was never in the AHL b/c he wasn't ready... he was there b/c of injuries and cap issues.

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I truly think the GM/team to get Bobby Ryan are the ones who are the most quiet about this....

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http://twitter.com/#!/icemancometh/s...82793390866434

"Several reports now that Flyers are not one of the teams in on #NHLDucks winger Bobby Ryan."

This roller coaster is hurting my heart right now
That's probably true, and I'm not thrilled by it.

On the other hand, he's probably going off of the same reports we've already seen--Panaccio and CSN, etc.

I still find it very hard to believe that Holmgren said Schenn was untouchable from the start, but if he did, then I guess there's no deal to be made.

Who knows, maybe this will drag on a for a few days and they can get something done this weekend.

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If the Ducks trade Ryan straight-up for Jeff Carter, Holmgren and all of Philadelphia will be slapping themselves on the forehead "I could have had a V-8" style...

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Keep it on topic guys. Thanks.

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"Several reports now that Flyers are not one of the teams in on #NHLDucks winger Bobby Ryan."

This roller coaster is hurting my heart right now
I just told you like three pages ago that the Flyers aren't going to do it.

And I didn't even need sources.


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If the Ducks trade Ryan straight-up for Jeff Carter, Holmgren and all of Philadelphia will be slapping themselves on the forehead "I could have had a V-8" style...

I'd rather have Couturier + Voracek + Cousins than Ryan.

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11-30-2011, 09:48 PM
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Schenn + Carle + 3rd for Ryan. Ryan for Suter. 2nd for hannan. Boob. Out team is good.

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In the ryan thread, people saying Jordan staal will win the selke soon.. I just dont see him doing it.. He doesnt quite have the offensive upside to him

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In the ryan thread, people saying Jordan staal will win the selke soon.. I just dont see him doing it.. He doesnt quite have the offensive upside to him
Is anyone else confused by this statement?

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Everyone and their mom thinks Bobby Ryan is going to get traded to their team. I give up on trying to follow the trade rumor thread or twitter.

99.973% chance that the Flyers do not get him.

I hope Holmgren is still trying to work something out for a defenseman.

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Speaking of the year that Staal was 3rd place, i looked up to see how close it was again..
Found this..
http://viewfrommyseats.com/2010-selke-results/

Look at who is above Andrew Ladd

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Is anyone else confused by this statement?
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Is anyone else confused by this statement?
As compared to Datsyuk, Kesler, Toews, and the like

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