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11-30-2011, 02:30 PM
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20-45=65 max.

I think he'll get around 15 goals and 30 to 35 assists, though.

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I think he's a shoe-in for the calder, hart, and art ross.. selke s a possibility but vezina is more likely.. I predict he'll also win the jack adams in a tight race

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11-30-2011, 02:43 PM
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I think he's a shoe-in for the calder, hart, and art ross.. selke s a possibility but vezina is more likely.. I predict he'll also win the jack adams in a tight race
and bye bye to Teemu Selänne and his rookie records.

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75 goals and 150 assists in his first season

double that amount when he is around 25 years old

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11-30-2011, 03:17 PM
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11-30-2011, 03:31 PM
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If he scores less than 60 pts i'm disappointed, 60pts is ok but 70pts is reachable.
What? I'm very high on Granlund but under 60 pts is a disappointment? It'll be his first year in a smaller rink and if he's able to put up a 40-point season I'll be very happy. If everything goes perfect, 70 points could happen even tho he's a rookie. But I don't expect him to be that effective.

2 very nice shots tonight. That last one was very impressive. Edit. I call that 2nd wrister sick.


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11-30-2011, 03:52 PM
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What? I'm very high on Granlund but under 60 pts is a disappointment? It'll be his first year in a smaller rink and if he's able to put up a 40-point season I'll be very happy. If everything goes perfect, 70 points could happen even tho he's a rookie. But I don't expect him to be that effective.

2 very nice shots tonight. That last one was very impressive. Edit. I call that 2nd wrister sick.
He has always managed to produce no matter of league. Last spring he was way ahead tuomo ruutu who is about 60 pt player in the NHL. He was ahead Mikko Koivu offensively who is about 65 pt-70pt player. Compare that Granlund to this. He is much better player than last spring at WC. He's even more ahead those players offensively. He gonna get #1 PP time and play top 6 minutes. Call me crazy if i'm disappointed for less than 60pts. He's not an junior player anymore. He's best FEL player and among best Finnish players if not best offensively. People seem to forget it. Without injury as a winger 60pts is nothing for him. If he's center it would be much harder. Heatley gonna wake up from sleep playing with Granlund. Granlund can do damage with Immonen but imagine him with Heatley.

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11-30-2011, 03:56 PM
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Without injury as a winger 60pts is nothing for him. If he's center it would be much harder.
All I'm saying is that it's a different game in the NHL and Mikko Koivu for example is both experienced and built for this... Mikke might need some time to adjust.

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What? I'm very high on Granlund but under 60 pts is a disappointment? It'll be his first year in a smaller rink and if he's able to put up a 40-point season I'll be very happy. If everything goes perfect, 70 points could happen even tho he's a rookie. But I don't expect him to be that effective.

2 very nice shots tonight. That last one was very impressive. Edit. I call that 2nd wrister sick.
I agree, Granlund will definately have periods when he'll struggle (not used to 82 games on a higher level), and it might take some time to get used to the playing style.

I'd say 10-15 goals and 25-35 assists would be most likely, while if everything goes perfectly, he could end up with say 60-70 pts. And on the other hand things might not work out too well and he ends up with 20 pts with some time in the AHL.

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11-30-2011, 04:07 PM
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All I'm saying is that it's a different game in the NHL and Mikko Koivu for example is both experienced and built for this... Mikke might need some time to adjust.
Or not. I tought he needs adjustment to FEL, he didn't. Ok against NHLers at WC he didn't. Mikke is an experienced player despite being 19. Size haven't been issue for him ever. NHL aggressive play might actualy fit him when players run chasing him when he has the puck. He is most dangerous when he lures players close to him which frees 1 linemate. If he's healthy +60pts. He's so much better than Mikko Koivu and Tuomo Ruutu offensively.

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Or not. I tought he needs adjustment to FEL, he didn't. Ok against NHLers at WC he didn't. Mikke is an experienced player despite being 19. Size haven't been issue for him ever. NHL aggressive play might actualy fit him when players run chasing him when he has the puck. He is most dangerous when he lures players close to him which frees 1 linemate. If he's healthy +60pts. He's so much better than Mikko Koivu and Tuomo Ruutu offensively.
That is a possible scenario, but it's not a fact that it will happen if he's healthy. 60 points is a lot. If you list some players that scored 60 points last year, there will be some very very good players. I'm not saying he won't, all I'm saying is that this shouldn't be an expectation, but a scenario that may or may not happen.

Martin Havlat, Patrik Elias, Ilya Kovalchuk, 62,62,60 points respectively last year. Just to raise some thoughts.

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11-30-2011, 04:23 PM
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That is a possible scenario, but it's not a fact that it will happen if he's healthy. 60 points is a lot. If you list some players that scored 60 points last year, there will be some very very good players. I'm not saying he won't, all I'm saying is that this shouldn't be an expectation, but a scenario that may or may not happen.

Martin Havlat, Patrik Elias, Ilya Kovalchuk, 62,62,60 points respectively last year. Just to raise some thoughts.
Jussi Jokinen was about 60pt player like Tuomo Ruutu and Mikko Koivu. If i had to choose 1 player to produce points. It would be Granlund hands down. I'm even more sure about +60pts because he have improved his shot. That shot will work in the NHL aswell.

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11-30-2011, 04:32 PM
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For some reason I've always seen Granlund as a much better version of Ville Leino. Last year (with great linemates) Leino scored 19+34=53, so I'm expecting him to do something similar. If Granlund stays healthy, plays in the powerplay and most of all doesn't spend a day in the minors, that's possible. I know some pessimistic posters will go nuts, but this kid has always been even better than the hype. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a slow start, but nevertheless 50+ points isn't a reach. It all comes down to how well can he adept his game into NA rinks and how quickly he does it.

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Jussi Jokinen was about 60pt player like Tuomo Ruutu and Mikko Koivu. If i had to choose 1 player to produce points. It would be Granlund hands down. I'm even more sure about +60pts because he have improved his shot. That shot will work in the NHL aswell.
The thing is that there are a lot of factors that come into play here. He has to keep up the pace for 82 games at the highest possible level. He has to get used to a different game and to better players. He has to get used to a new culture.

These are all factors that add uncertainty.

It's true, he's the best offensive player of the guys you listed. And the most talented. His shot looks already NHL calibre. But there are things that are uncertain. It might take him some time to get used to, and he might have a longer cold streak. Myself I'm happy if he can for longer periods of time show that he can play an offensive game as a top 6 player. The longer the better.

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12-01-2011, 12:28 AM
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He has always managed to produce no matter of league. Last spring he was way ahead tuomo ruutu who is about 60 pt player in the NHL. He was ahead Mikko Koivu offensively who is about 65 pt-70pt player. Compare that Granlund to this. He is much better player than last spring at WC. He's even more ahead those players offensively. He gonna get #1 PP time and play top 6 minutes. Call me crazy if i'm disappointed for less than 60pts. He's not an junior player anymore. He's best FEL player and among best Finnish players if not best offensively. People seem to forget it. Without injury as a winger 60pts is nothing for him. If he's center it would be much harder. Heatley gonna wake up from sleep playing with Granlund. Granlund can do damage with Immonen but imagine him with Heatley.
Oookay. No you should calm the fuc- down. Granlund has 0 shifts played in the NHL. Wich is, pretty much different game than, WC or FEL. There is no reason why he can´t be productive from the first season to start with. But it would not be a surprise to see him around 40-50 points. No one should be disappointed if MG ends up that amount of points. 15ish goals is good, and realistic. He needs to get used to more games, longer travels, new environment, new team and a hole new level of Hockey. I have all the faith for Mikael being capable having a solid career. But lets be honest here. He is not the best offensive player we have. I would argue M. Koivu, T. Ruutu, V. FIlppula (holy ****, had to put first initials for all, cause they have brothers playing hockey also! ) are better at NHL level. And i would not argue, but state the fact that Selanne is better.

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Oookay. No you should calm the fuc- down. Granlund has 0 shifts played in the NHL. Wich is, pretty much different game than, WC or FEL. There is no reason why he can´t be productive from the first season to start with. But it would not be a surprise to see him around 40-50 points. No one should be disappointed if MG ends up that amount of points. 15ish goals is good, and realistic. He needs to get used to more games, longer travels, new environment, new team and a hole new level of Hockey. I have all the faith for Mikael being capable having a solid career. But lets be honest here. He is not the best offensive player we have. I would argue M. Koivu, T. Ruutu, V. FIlppula (holy ****, had to put first initials for all, cause they have brothers playing hockey also! ) are better at NHL level. And i would not argue, but state the fact that Selanne is better.
+60pts or bust. He have scored in every league, every stage he has played. He has to adjust north american game yeah. There is no doubt that Granlund is much better offensive player who you listed except Selänne.

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Hell be included in Minnesota folklore for years to come if he hits 40 points. He'll be leading the team.

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Oookay. No you should calm the fuc- down. Granlund has 0 shifts played in the NHL. Wich is, pretty much different game than, WC or FEL. There is no reason why he can´t be productive from the first season to start with. But it would not be a surprise to see him around 40-50 points. No one should be disappointed if MG ends up that amount of points. 15ish goals is good, and realistic. He needs to get used to more games, longer travels, new environment, new team and a hole new level of Hockey. I have all the faith for Mikael being capable having a solid career. But lets be honest here. He is not the best offensive player we have. I would argue M. Koivu, T. Ruutu, V. FIlppula (holy ****, had to put first initials for all, cause they have brothers playing hockey also! ) are better at NHL level. And i would not argue, but state the fact that Selanne is better.
All the players mentioned above are two-way forwards, and great at what they do. However, I would dare to say that although Granlund's two-way game is nowhere near for instance Filppula's, he has more offensive upside than any one of those players.


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+60pts or bust. He have scored in every league, every stage he has played. He has to adjust north american game yeah. There is no doubt that Granlund is much better offensive player who you listed except Selänne.
Ok. You could make a case for Granlund being one of the best offensive players Finland has. But no way is he way ahead of, Mikko Koivu. Just for exemple. I am talkin about the NHL level. And contributing a whole season in the NHL. I would say, he is the most talented for a long time. But not ready yet. He could be the best offensive player after first year in NHL, tough.

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All the players mentioned above are two-way forwards, and great at what they do. However, I would dare to say that although Granlund's two-way game is nowhere near for instance Filppula's, he has more offensive upside than any one of those players.
Yeah, i did not use the best exemples. Granlund has the most offensive upside. But he has still not played in the NHL level. I honestly think he will be the third or fourth best offensive forward threat Finland has produced ever. When all is said and done. But he is not ready yet. I think Mikko Koivu has more offensive abilities, Teemu Selanne for sure. Olli Jokinen can make a case. Jussi Jokinen could also outproduce Granlund at this point. Immonen is a tad better offensively. Granlund is at top. Not the clear cut no:1 but on his way there.

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Yeah, i did not use the best exemples. Granlund has the most offensive upside. But he has still not played in the NHL level. I honestly think he will be the third or fourth best offensive forward threat Finland has produced ever. When all is said and done. But he is not ready yet. I think Mikko Koivu has more offensive abilities, Teemu Selanne for sure. Olli Jokinen can make a case. Jussi Jokinen could also outproduce Granlund at this point. Immonen is a tad better offensively. Granlund is at top. Not the clear cut no:1 but on his way there.
Agreed. Mostly. I don't know why you think Jussi Jokinen has anything to do in this conversation. Even having Granlund in the discussion of the best offensive-minded Finn in the NHL ever is stupid. As stated earlier, he's yet to play a single game in the League. (And again, I believe Jussi's value to Carolina comes from his offensive AND defensive game.)

By the way, I never said Granlund was offensively better than Teemu Selänne. That wasn't me. Selänne and (O.) Jokinen are (were...) both stars in their teams, and hopefully Mikko Koivu becomes a star this year playing with decent linemates.

And Jarkko Immonen? What? A good goal-scorer, but next to Granlund, who isn't? I bet even I could shovel a few pucks in the back of the net playing with him.


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Agreed. Mostly. I don't know why you think Jussi Jokinen has anything to do in this conversation. Even having Granlund in the discussion of the best offensive-minded Finn in the NHL ever is stupid. As stated earlier, he's yet to play a single game in the League. (And again, I believe Jussi's value to Carolina comes from his offensive AND defensive game.)

By the way, I never said Granlund was offensively better than Teemu Selänne. That wasn't me. Selänne and (O.) Jokinen are (were...) both stars in their teams, and hopefully Mikko Koivu becomes a star this year playing with decent linemates.

And Jarkko Immonen? What? A good goal-scorer, but next to Granlund, who isn't? I bet even I could shovel a few pucks in the back of the net playing with him.
Immonen did put up decent numbers before he got to play with Granlund. Or why was he bought from JYP? to KHL for 1 million?

Mu comparison are little off, noticed myself. But yeah, Granlund is on top of finnish forwards. Not clear no:1, as someone here stated.

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2ppg would be enough for his first season. But what comes to the second season, Granlund really needs to achieve something then. I think he can break Gretzky's record on his first season also but I'm pretty shy with this. He's not so good.

So, 1st season: about 50 + 100 (min.)
2nd season: 100 + 200 ?

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