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12-01-2011, 02:39 PM
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If he gets waived by a subsequent team does he come back to us for full cap hit or does the cap hit just disappear?
Im pretty sure if he is waived by the team he is with and assigned to the AHL his cap hit is gone. Similar to the Avery situation

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I don't assume that's the case...but if a GM does claim him that's a grudge to future dealings. That risk was worth Ryan Kessler, but Matt walker?
Montreal could use defensemen. We don't really trade with them. They could grab him and not miss a beat.

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12-01-2011, 02:40 PM
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5/6ths of the time, Russian Roullette is perfectly sound judgment, you're right.
It's not Russian roulette with a gun, more like a stapler.

It's still not a good idea but I think the organization will continue.

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12-01-2011, 02:42 PM
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It's not Russian roulette with a gun, more like a stapler.

It's still not a good idea but I think the organization will continue.
No, it's more like a gun. As others have explained, this team cannot afford to lose 850k in cap space for no reason. The Nodl waiving was a stapler; painful and annoying, but not terribly threatening to the team on the ice. Walker getting claimed could actually affect the team once cap hits begin returning as players leave LTIR.

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It's not Russian roulette with a gun, more like a stapler.

It's still not a good idea but I think the organization will continue.
You mean the GMs aren't shooting themselves? Blew. My. Mind.

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12-01-2011, 02:43 PM
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This is incorrect. We are a team that needs to ride the pine in regards to cap related. 850k is HUGE. Its a difference between a player that can contribute and cant. Its the difference between having Schenn on the roster or Shelly.
It's not incorrect. It's not a move I like...I don't think it's good...but it's not hit the bleeping panic button. It's not a move that I would do, but I'm also not the GM. I don't have all the info.

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It's not incorrect. It's not a move I like...I don't think it's good...but it's not hit the bleeping panic button. It's not a move that I would do, but I'm also not the GM. I don't have all the info.
What info do you feel you are lacking? Remember, it's not like our front office has read the CBA.

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But that is exactly what I am saying. Homer likely has information that we don't have. What that information is, I don't know. But he isn't making this decision based on nothing. And if he is, then this is a terrible move. If he gets claimed, I will be all over him like everyone else. If he doesn't, I am not going to say "wow, what luck!" because it is just silly to assume that he is sitting there picking his nose waiving players.



He has a better idea than we do.
What? How is that what you are saying? The only information that can confirm that Walker is going to pass through is if he knows the intentions of every other Gm in the league, which is 100% impossible. In this case, he is taking a risk, hopeing Walker will pass through.

In this case, it can be considered luck. The variables are all pointing towards a higher percentage of Walker getting chosen. Luck is when odds are stacked against you. Here it is, and he is playing Russian Roulette. Homer physically stated GMs are looking for defenders. Homer put through re-entry waivers a defender. We are ASSUMING he knows what every other GM is going to do, BUT we can KNOW what other GMs are looking for... defenders.

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Homer knows what hes doing hes got it all under control np...

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What? How is that what you are saying? The only information that can confirm that Walker is going to pass through is if he knows the intentions of every other Gm in the league, which is 100% impossible. In this case, he is taking a risk, hopeing Walker will pass through.

In this case, it can be considered luck. The variables are all pointing towards a higher percentage of Walker getting chosen. Luck is when odds are stacked against you. Here it is, and he is playing Russian Roulette. Homer physically stated GMs are looking for defenders. Homer put through re-entry waivers a defender. We are ASSUMING he knows what every other GM is going to do, BUT we can KNOW what other GMs are looking for... defenders.
So it's never a good idea to send a player through waivers then because it is always luck if he passes?

EDIT: Also, you are talking about these variables, which are the variables that YOU know. Not what Homer knows. You don't think he has more information than you??? Come on!

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No, it's more like a gun. As others have explained, this team cannot afford to lose 850k in cap space for no reason. The Nodl waiving was a stapler; painful and annoying, but not terribly threatening to the team on the ice. Walker getting claimed could actually affect the team once cap hits begin returning as players leave LTIR.
This molehill is being made into mt Everest.

A gun is final. This is like an infected staple...it <potentially>has small lingering repercussions.

This is going to hit 20 pages before we even know the results of the transaction.

DFF is my hero....leading the charge!

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Guys. This is Matt f**king Walker. Nobody wants him, even for half his wage.

Even if they do, it's what....0.5% of the cap?

He wouldn't do this without prior knowledge of interest. I've never seen a fanbase rip on their GM this much in my life, especially when he doesn't deserve much of it.

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This molehill is being made into mt Everest.

A gun is final. This is like an infected staple...it <potentially>has small lingering repercussions.

This is going to hit 20 pages before we even know the results of the transaction.

DFF is my hero....leading the charge!
Cap mismanagement has only lingering repercussions?

Go ask Gagne about that.

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Guys. This is Matt f**king Walker. Nobody wants him, even for half his wage.

Even if they do, it's what....0.5% of the cap?

He wouldn't do this without prior knowledge of interest.
Yes he would. He's done it before. It ended poorly.

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The idea that there is all of this mystic "information" out there as described in this thread is hilarious.

So is the idea that other GM's don't want to do bad things to each other. We've had many, many players claimed off waivers. One off of re entry. We saw Edmonton sign vanek to a huge offer sheet that drew the ire of a lot of the league at the time.

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What info do you feel you are lacking? Remember, it's not like our front office has read the CBA.
Ive spent 0 hours as a GM for a pro franchise. Nor have I met any of these people (GMs).

Seriously...someone needs to bug a phone...inquiring minds want to know.

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Montreal could use defensemen. We don't really trade with them. They could grab him and not miss a beat.
With Markov coming back?

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Bartulis also has a much more manageable salary. He makes $600,000 against the cap over the next two seasons, so if he were to be claimed on re-entry, the Flyers would only owe $300,000. That's a huge difference as compared to what they'd owe if Walker were to be claimed.
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It's not Russian roulette with a gun, more like a stapler.

It's still not a good idea but I think the organization will continue.
At the end of the day, you are still talking about stapling your ****ing face.

Which is straight up ****ing retarded.

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With Markov coming back?
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I'd say the chances of Walker getting claimed are about 50/50. At $1.7 million, Walker is essentially untouchable with a ten-foot pole. Nobody will take that chance. But at $850,000, which is about the going rate for a sixth-or-seventh NHL defenseman, you can bet there are teams out there that need the help. The Buffalo Sabres, Anaheim Ducks, Montreal Canadiens and Winnipeg Jets all come to mind, and that's just off the top of my head.
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This molehill is being made into mt Everest.

A gun is final. This is like an infected staple...it <potentially>has small lingering repercussions.

This is going to hit 20 pages before we even know the results of the transaction.

DFF is my hero....leading the charge!

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The idea that there is all of this mystic "information" out there as described in this thread is hilarious.

So is the idea that other GM's don't want to do bad things to each other. We've had many, many players claimed off waivers. One off of re entry. We saw Edmonton sign vanek to a huge offer sheet that drew the ire of a lot of the league at the time.
Lowe paid a big price for that move...in the "fraternity."

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So it's never a good idea to send a player through waivers then because it is always luck if he passes?

EDIT: Also, you are talking about these variables, which are the variables that YOU know. Not what Homer knows. You don't think he has more information than you??? Come on!
Remember what I said before, you need to include how valuable a player is to his team and than other teams. If its more valuable to other teams, yes its luck.

What are these other variables. You seem to be playing this line lately. Its pretty easy to guess variables that we dont know and Homer does. What do you think? You stated the variable of him knowing what 29 other GMs are going to do. We proved that its impossible. What else?

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Ive spent 0 hours as a GM for a pro franchise. Nor have I met any of these people (GMs).

Seriously...someone needs to bug a phone...inquiring minds want to know.
You have lived on earth, right? You've worked jobs?

Being a GM is not some mystical science. Sports are actually really ****ing simple ****, which people put up on a pedestal as if they are some magical art.

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You guys are missing it, homer is actually brilliant, ridiculously overpay a bad player, ie walker or leighton, waive him to shed the awful contract, then if you need him, recall him and even half their contract is still silly for another team to claim. genius

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