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12-02-2011, 10:01 AM
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Future Core you are comfortable with

Hi there. The past weeks made me reevaluate my personnel assessment for the future development of the Habs team. Thinking mid-to-long term, I came to this list of players I think should be untouchable and/or resigned as soon as possible.

The core to select for our D is easy to pick. Conditionally to Markov's return:

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban

(don't read too much into the lineup order)

Gill, for as his failings, should still have a role with us. His PK skill are simply out of this world, and we owe him more games than he cost us. But I don't see him as a top-4. Maybe a bottom-2 with PK specialist duties. If we can't offer him a contract under those circumstances, I'd like to see him with the coaching staff.

For our forward, it's a bit harder to pick. I can't only tell you the list of players I believe are essential to our team's future:

Plekanec
Pacioretty
Desharnais
Cole

That's about it. Gionta & Cammelari, for all their strong point, just don't seem to light the spark. It's okay to have bad sequences, but they seem to be unable to shock themselves out of it, and can't seem to help other provoke things, like Cole would usually do in his own time.

Eller is still struggling, and can't seem to find a regular pace.

Comments? (and forget the goalie, off course Price is part of our future!)

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I dont know why but I read: Future Coach you are comfortable with

IMO Desharnais will not be in habs core in the future.

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Hi there. The past weeks made me reevaluate my personnel assessment for the future development of the Habs team. Thinking mid-to-long term, I came to this list of players I think should be untouchable and/or resigned as soon as possible.

The core to select for our D is easy to pick. Conditionally to Markov's return:

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban

(don't read too much into the lineup order)

Gill, for as his failings, should still have a role with us. His PK skill are simply out of this world, and we owe him more games than he cost us. But I don't see him as a top-4. Maybe a bottom-2 with PK specialist duties. If we can't offer him a contract under those circumstances, I'd like to see him with the coaching staff.

For our forward, it's a bit harder to pick. I can't only tell you the list of players I believe are essential to our team's future:

Plekanec
Pacioretty
Desharnais
Cole

That's about it. Gionta & Cammelari, for all their strong point, just don't seem to light the spark. It's okay to have bad sequences, but they seem to be unable to shock themselves out of it, and can't seem to help other provoke things, like Cole would usually do in his own time.

Eller is still struggling, and can't seem to find a regular pace.

Comments? (and forget the goalie, off course Price is part of our future!)
Agree with you, i think we need to get stronger up front.
D is good with these four and i think campoli will surprise.
I knock price sometimes but i think he can do the job.
Too bad Ellar can't finish, 101 games played with the habs, not a lot
of production, how long can it go on. If our scorers would just finish they
could carry Lars for awhile longer, sooner or later something has to give.

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12-02-2011, 10:17 AM
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Agree with you, i think we need to get stronger up front.
D is good with these four and i think campoli will surprise.
I knock price sometimes but i think he can do the job.
Too bad Ellar can't finish, 101 games played with the habs, not a lot
of production, how long can it go on. If the our scorers would just finish they
could carry Lars for awhile longer, sooner or later something has to give.
I wouldn't be so hasty with Lars. Remember Pacioretty was the same way and look how that turned out? Well Lars was even a higher pick than Patches.

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at this point I'd rather have a thread about "Future management you'd be comfortable with"

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I wouldn't be so hasty with Lars. Remember Pacioretty was the same way and look how that turned out? Well Lars was even a higher pick than Patches.
Eller is very good, and for sure I am not saying we should give up on him. But he doesn't have the finish skills I'd require of a core member of our team.

Compare to DD, who may sometimes hit a bad sequence, but he will still rattle the opponent's play with his ninja skills. He still creates things.

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At this point there are 4 defenceman i am extremely comfortable moving forward with and 2 defenceman i see being mainstays on the blueline for years to come.

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Tinordi-Beaulieu

Up Front: build around Pacioretty, Cole, Plekanec and Eller

_________ - Plekanec - __________
Pacioretty - ________ - Cole
LeBlanc - Eller - Gallagher
________ - Bournival - White

Draft focus should be drafting potential top line talent

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12-02-2011, 11:11 AM
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At this point there are 4 defenceman i am extremely comfortable moving forward with and 2 defenceman i see being mainstays on the blueline for years to come.

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Tinordi-Beaulieu

Up Front: build around Pacioretty, Cole, Plekanec and Eller

_________ - Plekanec - __________
Pacioretty - ________ - Cole
LeBlanc - Eller - Gallagher
________ - Bournival - White

Draft focus should be drafting potential top line talent
Really like that core, expect I actually think DD is proving to everyone that he does have a future as a Center with the Habs.

One small problem is Leblanc plays RW, and so those Gallagher, so we might be having a little logjam.

Ideal IMO if everything plans out best case if Eller devlops into a #2 C and Gallagher can be a top 6 forward.

xxx-Pleck-Cole
Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
Bournival-DD-Leblanc
xxx-xxx-xxx

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It's not about "future prospect that may or may not prove to be a good core". This is about the deck we currently have, and those who proven themselves. IMHO, DD proved to be a constant offensive contributor, regardless of if he actually lands point.

Eller hasn't. And none of the rookies, as much as I like them, have proven otherwise.

I was wondering how much we like Noke as a 4th line center. Should we keep him there long term?

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It's not about "future prospect that may or may not prove to be a good core". This is about the deck we currently have, and those who proven themselves. IMHO, DD proved to be a constant offensive contributor, regardless of if he actually lands point.

Eller hasn't. And none of the rookies, as much as I like them, have proven otherwise.

I was wondering how much we like Noke as a 4th line center. Should we keep him there long term?
You aren't confortable already putting Eller in your long term plans because he hasn't proven anything but your'e talking about including Nokelainen there.

Even if Eller doen't devellop offensively he is already a better shutdown center than him.
As for the young core: Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, Emelin and I wouldn't get rid of Desharnais just yet he could keep on surprising. The older part off the core because young players needs vets around them to progress: Plek, Gorges, Cole and Markov is hard to say since we don't know how good he still is. The rest I consider expendable.

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Nokelainen is currently part of the team as a 4th line center. In that specific role, has he accomplished the duties we expect of him?

Eller is playing as a 3rd line center, has he accomplished his role adequately?

Eller's performance is much greater than Noke, sure. But Noke is playing good in the limited role we gave him. Eller ain't doing as good... Not with regularity anyway

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At this point there are 4 defenceman i am extremely comfortable moving forward with and 2 defenceman i see being mainstays on the blueline for years to come.

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Tinordi-Beaulieu

Up Front: build around Pacioretty, Cole, Plekanec and Eller

_________ - Plekanec - __________
Pacioretty - ________ - Cole
LeBlanc - Eller - Gallagher
________ - Bournival - White

Draft focus should be drafting potential top line talent
completely agree with defensive choices

I see Gallagher as hopefully developing into a top 6 guy, maybe bournival on 3rd

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I see the core as being

Price (Untouchable)

Subban (Untouchable -unless for a massive overpayment)
Gorges
Emelin
Markov (for another year or two)

Pacioretty (Untouchable)
Plekanec
Eller
Desharnais (he has really changed my mind this year)

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At this point there are 4 defenceman i am extremely comfortable moving forward with and 2 defenceman i see being mainstays on the blueline for years to come.

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Tinordi-Beaulieu

Up Front: build around Pacioretty, Cole, Plekanec and Eller

_________ - Plekanec - __________
Pacioretty - ________ - Cole
LeBlanc - Eller - Gallagher
________ - Bournival - White

Draft focus should be drafting potential top line talent
I love that 3rd line. So dirty

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No team that considers Desharnais as "core" will ever win the Stanley Cup.

Small players that lack in footspeed are not players I'd like to build around, especially up the middle.

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Really like that core, expect I actually think DD is proving to everyone that he does have a future as a Center with the Habs.

One small problem is Leblanc plays RW, and so those Gallagher, so we might be having a little logjam.

Ideal IMO if everything plans out best case if Eller devlops into a #2 C and Gallagher can be a top 6 forward.

xxx-Pleck-Cole
Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
Bournival-DD-Leblanc
xxx-xxx-xxx
Where is White ??????

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I look at your core as players a team would have to seriously overpay to obtain so for me its:

Price
Subban
Pacioretty
Gorges
Pleks

Thats it. Everyone else can be had if the price was right.

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Price
Pacioretty
Subban
Eller

The rest are fair game.

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Core = never trade, build around this group

Price
Subban
Pacioretty

Core Prospects
Tinordi
Beaulieu
(1st rd pick...keep the darn picks please)


Players that are complimentary to the core, but could be moved for the right price or to add a core player (or picks in a rebuild)

Plekanec
Cammalleri
Gionta
Markov
Emelin
Weber


Remainder are interchangable and could be moved at any time



(and my personal offer to revitalize the European economy with the influx of spending...Gomez to any Euro based team)

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Core = never trade, build around this group

Price
Subban
Pacioretty

Core Prospects
Tinordi
Beaulieu
(1st rd pick...keep the darn picks please)


Players that are complimentary to the core, but could be moved for the right price or to add a core player (or picks in a rebuild)

Plekanec
Cammalleri
Gionta
Markov
Emelin
Weber


Remainder are interchangable and could be moved at any time



(and my personal offer to revitalize the European economy with the influx of spending...Gomez to any Euro based team)
No Eller? (Honest Question)

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Just wanted to mention a few things on Desharnais, in regards to the comment of a team not being able to win with a player of his stature on their roster.

While he's not the ideal top 2 centre that we've been dreaming of for what seems like decades now, I don't think anyone is asking him to be that by the time this franchise is ready to truly be a contender. I would suspect that those who have them in their 'core' see him for what he is, a great utility piece that can compliment a successful team, while those who don't should still see his attributes as important factors in winning.

Dave's done nothing but prove his critics wrong his entire career, I wouldn't intend that to change now, but to say he has no place on a winner is flat out wrong. He's proven that he can be valuable 5 on 5, on the PK and on the PP, he can fill in on the wing or play down the middle, and some how continues to produce wherever he's playing in the line up.

Might I add he's done this all without complaint, while the likes of Gomez can go months without scoring a goal, playing ahead of him in the line up. You need depth, talent, heart, hockey smarts and sacrifice to win a cup, qualities Desharnais shows in spades. He's exactly the type of player who can step in along the way if we're ever going to contend.

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Just wanted to mention a few things on Desharnais, in regards to the comment of a team not being able to win with a player of his stature on their roster.

While he's not the ideal top 2 centre that we've been dreaming of for what seems like decades now, I don't think anyone is asking him to be that by the time this franchise is ready to truly be a contender. I would suspect that those who have them in their 'core' see him for what he is, a great utility piece that can compliment a successful team, while those who don't should still see his attributes as important factors in winning.

Dave's done nothing but prove his critics wrong his entire career, I wouldn't intend that to change now, but to say he has no place on a winner is flat out wrong. He's proven that he can be valuable 5 on 5, on the PK and on the PP, he can fill in on the wing or play down the middle, and some how continues to produce wherever he's playing in the line up.

Might I add he's done this all without complaint, while the likes of Gomez can go months without scoring a goal, playing ahead of him in the line up. You need depth, talent, heart, hockey smarts and sacrifice to win a cup, qualities Desharnais shows in spades. He's exactly the type of player who can step in along the way if we're ever going to contend.
Little David is proving me wrong. He is producing at the pace of a #2 center. With experience he will continue to improve things like his defensive zone coverage, but he is not a player who cheats defensively. The effort at both sides of the rink is there.

Of course he is small, but when he plays with Cole or Patches, the combination works.

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The only core I'm 100% confident with it's Price

But I do agree that a team need more than 1 key player so my «core» would be :

Plekanec
Pacioretty
Eller
Subban
Price

the rest could be up for grab !

I like Emelin, Beaulieu, Leblanc and all but it would take more than potential to be great for them to be on my core.

I think this team would definately need a reshape form our current high salaried players like Cammalleri, Gomez(obviously), Gionta, Markov,

I would keep cole tough.

My ideal team would be a team that forecheck hard and bring their fast tempo to the other teams (this mixed with puck possession). Our players would have to be bigger to implement that type of system.

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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Leblanc
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - Eller - Gallagher
White - Bournival - probably a defenseman

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Diaz- Beaulieu
St-Denis

Not saying this will be a team, but the guys in bold are who I expect to have the biggest impact and would all require overpayments to take from me if I was GM. I didn't bold Kostitsyn cause I'm not sure he stays. Markov --- who knows if he will ever come back lol. Diaz and Emelin both need improvements, but are both playing above my expectations so far. Weber has played himself out of the future in the last few weeks (after such an amazing start too.. too bad).

If I had to pick young guys who I would keep unless there was a severe overpayment (right now), I'd go with;

1) Eller
2) Subban
3) Desharnais
4) Gallagher
5) Leblanc

I'm HUGE on Bournival though and Emelin, I love his hitting. Damn it, I forgot Beaulieu. We have some nice prospects, that's for sure!

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Its funny how people overrated Desnarhais and not a single mention of Kostitsyn yet. This guy deserve to play elsewhere and be appreciated by his fanbase.

My list will be short and sweet:

Pros:

Price
Subban
Pacioretty

Prospects:

Beaulieu
Gallagher

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