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12-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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how bad do you suck that no one wants you even at 850 with the other team paying half the salary.
This should make what Holmgren did ok now that he cleared re-entry right?
it was still a stupid move.

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12-02-2011, 12:16 PM
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how bad do you suck that no one wants you even at 850 with the other team paying half the salary.
This should make what Holmgren did ok now that he cleared re-entry right?
it was still a stupid move.
I still think it's not that they didn't want him at 850K but they didn't want him next year at 1.7 million. I believe the extra year is what deterred people from claiming him.

At least he cleared.

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12-02-2011, 12:17 PM
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He's better than Marshall and Bourdon....
yep, Holmgren should put these guys on waivers when he can. and sign a couple of broken down AHL vets instead.

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12-02-2011, 12:17 PM
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No way Homer had any insight on this. No way in hell.
Yeah... so Holmgren looks like a genius for acquiring a player @ 1.7 that no one else in the league wants at $850k?

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12-02-2011, 12:18 PM
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I still think it's not that they didn't want him at 850K but they didn't want him next year at 1.7 million. I believe the extra year is what deterred people from claiming him.

At least he cleared.
the other team would of been on the hook for half the salary until the contract expired. see the situation with Avery.

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12-02-2011, 12:19 PM
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the other team would of been on the hook for half the salary until the contract expired. see the situation with Avery.
Yea my bad.. I knew that too. Still I don't think they wanted him for that extra year

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Yeah... so Holmgren looks like a genius for acquiring a player @ 1.7 that no one else in the league wants at $850k?
We're not talking about that though. Walker's contract is a gross overpayment and it sucks to be anchored by that, but that is not the topic of discussion. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that it is possible Homer knew he would clear. It may not have been just dumb luck.

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12-02-2011, 12:23 PM
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We're not talking about that though. Walker's contract is a gross overpayment and it sucks to be anchored by that, but that is not the topic of discussion. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that it is possible Homer knew he would clear. It may not have been just dumb luck.
He can't possibly know that Walker or any other player would clear.

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12-02-2011, 12:25 PM
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We're not talking about that though. Walker's contract is a gross overpayment and it sucks to be anchored by that, but that is not the topic of discussion. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that it is possible Homer knew he would clear. It may not have been just dumb luck.
No, he did not know. Stop treating Homer like he's an all-knowing deity. He got lucky.

He's amazingly stupid for continuing to take these unnecessary risks.

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12-02-2011, 12:27 PM
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He can't possibly know that Walker or any other player would clear.
I understand what he is saying that GM's defintely do call aroud and email each other to see whats gonna happen. The Randy Jones situation was very similar. Homer sent out a league wide email to the other GM's to see if they had any interest in claiming him. Got nothing back then put him on re-entry and got claimed. Homer was pissed about it. There is a sort of fraternity among GM's too. Today a vidoe came out about how Burke wanted to fight Lowe over the Penner offer sheet. In the video he mentioned he was talking to some other GM and he didn't hang up his phone or something and Lowe heard him talking **** lol. Burke is funny

Edit: While he didn't know for certain that he would clear it probably was a calculated risk

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I understand what he is saying that GM's defintely do call aroud and email each other to see whats gonna happen. The Randy Jones situation was very similar. Homer sent out a league wide email to the other GM's to see if they had any interest in claiming him. Got nothing back then put him on re-entry and got claimed. Homer was pissed about it. There is a sort of fraternity among GM's too. Today a vidoe came out about how Burke wanted to fight Lowe over the Penner offer sheet. In the video he mentioned he was talking to some other GM and he didn't hang up his phone or something and Lowe heard him talking **** lol. Burke is

Edit: While he didn't know for certain that he would clear it probably was a calculated risk
Homer needs a new calculator then.

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No, he did not know. Stop treating Homer like he's an all-knowing deity. He got lucky.

He's amazingly stupid for continuing to take these unnecessary risks.

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12-02-2011, 12:37 PM
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No, he did not know. Stop treating Homer like he's an all-knowing deity. He got lucky.

He's amazingly stupid for continuing to take these unnecessary risks.
Lol. I guess you are the all-knowing deity then because you seem to know at least what he knows, if not more.

I know the concept of an NHL General Manager with a staff of people working for him knowing the value of his own players and the pulse of the league seems strange, but I think there is at least a chance that it is possible. I guess not know. Beat writers and fans know what really is up.

EDIT: Bloggers too.

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Lol. I guess you are the all-knowing deity then because you seem to know at least what he knows, if not more.

I know the concept of an NHL General Manager with a staff of people working for him knowing the value of his own players and the pulse of the league seems strange, but I think there is at least a chance that it is possible. I guess not know. Beat writers and fans know what really is up.

EDIT: Bloggers too.
... and I think most of us assume a General Manager with a staff of people working for him" would know the basic rules of the CBA--but that has proven not to be the case. You can't blame some of us for the skepticism.

This was, at best, a risky move, and the reason most were annoyed was that the reward (15 minutes of Matt Walker) did not seem worth the danger of being saddled with more dead cap space.

That said, I continue to believe that Holmgren gets the big things right more often than not.

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Lol. I guess you are the all-knowing deity then because you seem to know at least what he knows, if not more.

I know the concept of an NHL General Manager with a staff of people working for him knowing the value of his own players and the pulse of the league seems strange, but I think there is at least a chance that it is possible. I guess not know. Beat writers and fans know what really is up.

EDIT: Bloggers too.
you too. you seem to think you know whats going on more then most anyone else around here.

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12-02-2011, 12:51 PM
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Lol. I guess you are the all-knowing deity then because you seem to know at least what he knows, if not more.

I know the concept of an NHL General Manager with a staff of people working for him knowing the value of his own players and the pulse of the league seems strange, but I think there is at least a chance that it is possible. I guess not know. Beat writers and fans know what really is up.

EDIT: Bloggers too.
Actually, fans, beat writers and bloggers have called out Holmgren on mistakes he wasn't aware he was making because of his lack of understanding of the CBA...you know, that document which is vitally important to his job. It seems to happen at least once a year.


I've never said I'm all knowing. However, unlike you, I actually realize the risk that Homer took with this, I realize how incredibly dumb it is, and I'm actually aware of the cumulative effects that many bad decisions can have...just look at the state of the team before the offseason rebuild. The near future was bleak because of Holmgren giving away prospects and draft picks like candy for years and the cap situation was ugly as well. It's small things like players getting claimed on re-entry that add up and have a cumulative effect. That Homer continues taking these risks needlessly is inexcusable.

Now, time to amend my original analogy:

Beef Logic: OK, I've headbutted the sidewalk. I don't have a concussion, but the risk still means it was a stupid idea.

DFF Logic: OK, I've headbutted the sidewalk. I don't have a concussion, it's a great idea! I'm a genius!

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Beef Logic: OK, I've headbutted the sidewalk. I don't have a concussion, but the risk still means it was a stupid idea.

DFF Logic: OK, I've headbutted the sidewalk. I don't have a concussion, it's a great idea! I'm a genius!
PH Logic: I already knew he wasn't going to get a concussion so it did not matter what he did.


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I'm glad he cleared. Bullet dodged.

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It's a good thing we're not all omnibenevolent, or this board would be frightfully boring.

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PH Logic: I already knew he wasn't going to get a concussion so it did not matter what he did.

You mean he wore a helmet?

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PH Logic: I already knew he wasn't going to get a concussion so it did not matter what he did.

So is it OK to shoot someone if you know they aren't going to die? Good to know.

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OH MY GAWD, NOT THE RE-ENTRY WAI....Oh, ok. Maybe Holmgren knew what he was doing all along.

I don't expect that to be the consensus though.

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