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12-04-2011, 12:55 PM
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I'm happy either way. As long as he gets to put on some mass along the way in the NHL, I have no problem keeping him here. Maybe when White comes back send him back down, but Patches did get some NHL experience before being sent down to Hamilton and it may be some intangibles that he learned at the NHL level that helped him excel with the Bulldogs. Also some great coaching. What's the general consensus on CJ?

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Go for the roids Louis !

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12-04-2011, 01:36 PM
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I like tyhe kid, but i'd rather have him play at AHL level this year with tons of ice time and room to improve.

Just showing that the Habs are very thin in their depth chart.


Gomez injuries and lack of production are hurting this team big time.

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I just don't like him on the wing, I thought I would. But he needs to be pursuing the puck to be 100% effective. It's just the kind of player he is. He needs to get involved at all times, his work ethic and intelligence are his strengths.

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12-04-2011, 01:42 PM
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I like tyhe kid, but i'd rather have him play at AHL level this year with tons of ice time and room to improve.

Just showing that the Habs are very thin in their depth chart.


Gomez injuries and lack of production are hurting this team big time.
If they were very thin in depth they'd be last overall with all the players that have missed time. At one point they had 4 rookies playing on defense.

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12-04-2011, 01:44 PM
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If they were very thin in depth they'd be last overall with all the players that have missed time. At one point they had 4 rookies playing on defense.
I was speaking at forward position

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12-04-2011, 01:52 PM
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i grew up in kirkland and now live in DDO

so beleive me when i say

i.am.pulling.for.this.guy.

hes living the dream me and all my friends had when we were little playing hockey, the second we got a hockey stick in our hands at the age of 3, we all wanted 1 thing, to play for the canadiens

i cant imagine what it feels like for louis

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12-04-2011, 01:55 PM
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He seem to be pretty, good he impress me, then again it seem like he will worn down if he play too long with the team so I wish that he gain more endurance and strenght. A more explosive skating wouldn't hurt either. If he can get all this I'm calling him playing has a top 6 forward in 2 seasons.

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12-04-2011, 02:14 PM
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Patrice Bergeron played in the NHL at the age of 18, I see alot of similarities between Leblanc and Bergeron, both are very cerebral players, very high hockey IQ, they learn and adjust quickly, they are hard work guys touted with some nice skills as well.. Their capacity to adjust to a higher pace, to the details at a so young age, is something very few players can do.. Their compete level, determination, attitude, game approach is something you dont even need to teach, its inside of them already..

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He seem to be pretty, good he impress me, then again it seem like he will worn down if he play too long with the team so I wish that he gain more endurance and strenght. A more explosive skating wouldn't hurt either. If he can get all this I'm calling him playing has a top 6 forward in 2 seasons.
Louis had the best overall fitness at the Team Canada WJC tests last year. Unless he's really taken a step back due to his injury, it shouldn't be a problem. Pure stength is a different story.

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Listen, I'm all against keeping him up for the season, I really am. by the same token though, it does nothing but boost his confidence and give him drive to get to the next level by keeping him up a little bit longer. I'm against anything more then 8 games, but your not ruining a player by having that the case. Did it ruin pacioretty. at all?

Get your heads on straight and stop freaking out about a minor issue
Would he be as good as he is right now had the Habs kept him up in the NHL from the 1st season onward? I don't think anyone really has an issue with a short stint, it's keeping him up for the rest of the season that most people like myself hopes doesn't happen.

Habs didn't exactly handle Pacioretty well at the start of his career. Not a big fan of Gauthier but his patient approach did wonders for him. If I recall correctly even Pacioretty mentioned himself that playing top 6 in the AHL helped his game a lot more than playing bottom 6 in the NHL.

Give Leblanc a few more games (perhaps until Gomez comes back) then let him use the experience to improve in the AHL. He's already putting up pretty solid numbers in the AHL (10pts in 14 games). Would be pretty great if he can challenge for rookie of the year down there. He'll also face opposition top D since he's pretty much looking like the go to guy. There is almost zero downside. Worked wonders for Subban.

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Patrice Bergeron played in the NHL at the age of 18, I see alot of similarities between Leblanc and Bergeron, both are very cerebral players, very high hockey IQ, they learn and adjust quickly, they are hard work guys touted with some nice skills as well.. Their capacity to adjust to a higher pace, to the details at a so young age, is something very few players can do.. Their compete level, determination, attitude, game approach is something you dont even need to teach, its inside of them already..
Couturier's given me hope as well.

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12-04-2011, 02:20 PM
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Would he be as good as he is right now had the Habs kept him up in the NHL from the 1st season onward? I don't think anyone really has an issue with a short stint, it's keeping him up for the rest of the season that most people like myself hopes doesn't happen.

Habs didn't exactly handle Pacioretty well at the start of his career. Not a big fan of Gauthier but his patient approach did wonders for him. If I recall correctly even Pacioretty mentioned himself that playing top 6 in the AHL helped his game a lot more than playing bottom 6 in the NHL.

Give Leblanc a few more games then let him use the experience to improve in the AHL. He's already putting up pretty solid numbers in the AHL (10pts in 14 games). Would be pretty great if he can challenge for rookie of the year down there. He'll also face opposition top D since he's pretty much looking like the go to guy. There is almost zero downside. Worked wonders for Subban.
Pacioretty is more similar to Lats than to Louis.

Louis is a vesatile, intelligent forward who can work well in a number of roles and situations.

Max and Lats only know how to play the game one way, and once they can perfect that playing style at the NHL level, then they achieve offensive success. You can't try to fit them into a lineup; the lineup needs to have a specific need for them in order for them to be successful before they have completely matured as young players.

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Good for Louis. Prefer him right now to my boy Palushaj until Gomez comes back.

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So what lineup for thuesday?

Cole - Desharnais - Cammalleri
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Leblanc - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - Nokelainen - Darche


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So what lineup for thuesday?

Cole - Desharnais - Cammalleri
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Leblanc - Eller - Kostitsyn
Darche - Nokelainen - Weber ??
I am sick and tired to see a d-man on the 4th line wing. I'd rathen have Blunden back.

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So what lineup for thuesday?

Cole - Desharnais - Cammalleri
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Leblanc - Eller - Kostitsyn
Darche - Nokelainen - Weber ??
Where's snipes?

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Where's snipes?
oouff. I knew I was forgetting someone. Thanks god Weber isnt our 12th forward.

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So what lineup for thuesday?

Cole - Desharnais - Cammalleri
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Leblanc - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - Nokelainen - Darche
Change Darche the goal scoring machine with a tough guy ( goon ) yes i said it.
Did anyone notice how the Kings smacked CP around. We are lucky that he wasn't knocked out for a long time when he was crashed hard into by 260 lbs Penner.

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Change Darche the goal scoring machine with a tough guy ( goon ) yes i said it.
Did anyone notice how the Kings smacked CP around. We are lucky that he wasn't knocked out for a long time when he was crashed hard into by 260 lbs Penner.
we still won and dominated handily that game, i don't see your point

and gionta ran Reimer and hurt him, even if the laffs have Orr and Steckel in their lineup

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Going straight to the NHL at 22 after playing vs 20+ year olds in the NCAA and going straight to the NHL at 20 after playing vs 18/19 year olds in junior is different.

There's nothing wrong with a short stint but I'm talking about idea of keeping him in the NHL indefinitely.

Jeff Carter led the AHL playoffs in points on the Calder Cup winning team. Mike Richards was also on this team and was over a point/game. Giroux and Little both played half the year in the AHL which is a lot. Iginla is a future hall of famer. Kopitar, Steen, Kulikov, Koivu played in a mens league arguably on par with the AHL.

The list will be a lot smaller if you look for success from 20year olds coming out of junior/college. On the flip side, there is no point in making a list of successful of players who played in the AHL before becoming a NHLer because there are so many.
Out of my list of 16 players, only 4 qualify as playing in a "man's league" over in Europe, since Kulikov played in the Quebec Juniors for Drummondville. That hardly tips the scales in the favor of your argument. I could argue that at 19 and 20, Kopitar and Hanzal are hardly harden men, especially when they are playing 30 to 40 games a year in Europe with less ice time than the veterans. As for Carter and Richards, they played in playoffs for the AHL affiliate team after they finished their junior season, so they were not sent down for "maturing" development.

For all those who state that the proper way of developing a 1st round pick forward in the NHL is to let him play most of his first year in the AHL, here are some stats that completely contradicts this:

From 2002 to 2007, 78 forwards were drafted in the 1st round. Of those 78, 60 of these forwards are now regular NHL players, 8 are marginal NHL players and 10 of them are busts (never played or barely played in the NHL).

Of the 60 1st round pick forwards who made it to the NHL, 36 players played less than 30 games in the AHL and 23 of those 36 played all their career in the NHL (never playing a single game in the AHL). The overall average AHL game played for those 60 1st rounder is only 39 games.

Therefore, it is not the norm in the NHL to let a 1st round pick forward "mature" a full season in the AHL. Most GM pick a forward in the 1st round believeing that he can develop the player within his current NHL roster.

The only 1st round forwards who have spent extensive time in the minors early in their careers (exclusing the lock-out abberation) are Scotty Upshall, Jeff Tambellini, Chris Stewart, Benoit Pouliot, Bobby Ryan, Kyle Chipchra, Steve Bernier, Brian Boyle, Eric Nystrom, Chris Higgins, Max Pac and Daniel Paille (20% of the 60 players who played more NHL games than AHL games). Of that list, only three players (Chris Stewart, Bobby Ryan and Max Pac) can be considered premier players, the rest are basically underachievers when it comes to 1st round picks (they spent a lot of time in the AHL because they failed to impress, more than an intentional decision by teh GM and coaching staff to fully develop them in the minors).

It can therefore hardly be said that sending your 1st round pick forward to play most of his first year in the AHL is a sure fire way of developing a star player, since few GMs actually do it.

(Notice that I am highlighting 1st round forwards. For most 2nd rounders +, defensemen and goalies, a longer development stint in the AHL is usually required).

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we still won and dominated handily that game, i don't see your point

and gionta ran Reimer and hurt him, even if the laffs have Orr and Steckel in their lineup
Hmmm so you actually think i am talking about one game huh ? Complicated subject with the pacifists at HF.

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Hmmm so you actually think i am talking about one game huh ? Complicated subject with the pacifists at HF.
I debunk your rhetoric only to be called a pacifist? Bloodlusters are so sensitive nowadays

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I debunk your rhetoric only to be called a pacifist? Bloodlusters are so sensitive nowadays
You didn't debunk anything, and i wouldn't want you to feel like i am pointing you out in particular. Blood ? Lusters ? Huh ?

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Change Darche the goal scoring machine with a tough guy ( goon ) yes i said it.
Did anyone notice how the Kings smacked CP around. We are lucky that he wasn't knocked out for a long time when he was crashed hard into by 260 lbs Penner.
Penner weights 260lbs? He seriously needs 6 months of Jenny Craig.

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