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12-05-2011, 02:40 PM
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Crawford was good at getting the most out of him.

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Patrick has two choices at this point

Get some big time counseling

Or

Be a career AHLer/play in Europe and write a book.

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It does matter. There is a big difference if Phoenix is giving up on him entirely and releasing him vs sending him to the AHL where he could at least work on his deficiencies. He's not so old that it's unlikely that he'll ever come around.
Ahhh, visions / wonderment of Pavel Rosa all over again... Thank you!

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Telos you're missing the point, he's a headcase.
A headcase that scores over PPG in the AHL at will. Manchester needs more offense badly.

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Patrick has two choices at this point

Get some big time counseling

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Be a career AHLer/play in Europe and write a book.
Who's your therapist?

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12-05-2011, 02:58 PM
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A headcase that scores over PPG in the AHL at will. Manchester needs more offense badly.
Think big picture and long term. Do you want that guy around the Toffoli, Kitsyn, Weal, and Kozuns of the world?

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12-05-2011, 03:00 PM
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I know he is top 6 or bust, if he isn't playing with Kopitar or Richards then he isn't producing. Not really arguing for him to come to LA so much as he is a freebie for Manchester. The guy lights up the AHL. Cliche and Nolan are tied for the team scoring lead at a measly 14 points in ~25 games... That's pitiful.

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Think big picture and long term. Do you want that guy around the Toffoli, Kitsyn, Weal, and Kozuns of the world?
If he teaches them offense, yes. We aren't exactly a developer of world beaters. What, is his daddy issues going to rub off on them? They didn't for Kopitar and Brown when he played here. The guy is skilled and can play, his contract is worth nothing and he is a UFA, if I were Hextall I would snatch him up and put him up front for the Monarchs.

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Ahhh, visions / wonderment of Pavel Rosa all over again... Thank you!
...which leads me to one of the traditions of the NHL that has always baffled me - earning your Top 6 time by proving your worth playing on the 3rd or 4th line. Why take a naturally gifted scorer and insist that they muck, grind, and hit like one of the role players who can't score? To use a football analogy, it would be like having your gifted wide receiver play tight end until he proved that he could effectively block or have your slashing, elusive tailback play blocking back for a season just to prove that he's well rounded.

From what I can tell, POS has played primarily on the 3rd and 4th lines since being traded away. If you don't put a player in a position where he is likely to succeed, he probably won't. In his last season with the Kings - with TM as coach - POS averaged 0.6 PPG in 60+ games playing left wing and he was +1.

It doesn't seem like it would be much of a gamble to pick him up

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To me, Sully's a bit of a debbie downer and I don't think he'd be a good fit down in manchester, where they're actually starting to play better.

Kings don't need him as we now have Brown, Penner, Gagne all playing LW.

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I know he is top 6 or bust, if he isn't playing with Kopitar or Richards then he isn't producing.
He couldn't produce much less than the guys playing with Kopitar and Richards right now


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...which leads me to one of the traditions of the NHL that has always baffled me - earning your Top 6 time by proving your worth playing on the 3rd or 4th line. Why take a naturally gifted scorer and insist that they muck, grind, and hit like one of the role players who can't score? To use a football analogy, it would be like having your gifted wide receiver play tight end until he proved that he could effectively block or have your slashing, elusive tailback play blocking back for a season just to prove that he's well rounded.

From what I can tell, POS has played primarily on the 3rd and 4th lines since being traded away. If you don't put a player in a position where he is likely to succeed, he probably won't. In his last season with the Kings - with TM as coach - POS averaged 0.6 PPG in 60+ games playing left wing and he was +1.

It doesn't seem like it would be much of a gamble to pick him up
If I were Dean and had a coach that insisted on playing Hunter over Williams and Brown, I would probably gamble on him too


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He couldn't produce much less than the guys playing with Kopitar and Richards right now

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To me, Sully's a bit of a debbie downer and I don't think he'd be a good fit down in manchester, where they're actually starting to play better.

Kings don't need him as we now have Brown, Penner, Gagne all playing LW.
He plays the right side too. That and his "personal" issues have been mostly speculation by fans due to his moving around. Only the organizations know the real story.

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12-05-2011, 03:07 PM
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To me, Sully's a bit of a debbie downer and I don't think he'd be a good fit down in manchester, where they're actually starting to play better.

Kings don't need him as we now have Brown, Penner, Gagne all playing LW.
Wasn't it POS, Kopitar, and Brown in 2008/9? ... and Brown apparently prefers to play on the right anyway.

Leave Gagne with Richards and let Penner play 3rd line

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If I were Dean, I would claim him. At the very least, I would put him in Manchester, he is above a PPG player in the AHL and Manchester is struggling offensively. Kozun has taken a step back, Vey is performing alright, but at a rookie pace, and Nolan is tied for the scoring lead... They could use a boost.
Pass big time. First of all, he doesn't go to Manchester as another poster pointed out. He's up on the pro roster for a month, and we already have a full line sitting as a scratch most nights. We are also trying to save some cap space for the trade deadline, why waste it on a reclamation project? Not to mention we help out a divisional rival who is counting every penny, not just cap space but actually nickels and dimes, like it's an art. Why alleviate them of some costs and a contract spot on their 50 limit?

To get to Manchester, which really seems like the big reason why you are pushing this idea of claiming O'Sullivan, he'd have to fall to us to claim him, stay on the pro team for a month, then clear waivers in order to get to Manchester. He wouldn't get there until mid-January and Loktionov and Voynov could be back there by then, knowing TM/DL. As well, we likely couldn't recall him, as he'd be on reentry waivers and we'd eat half his salary if he was claimed.

How many contracts are we at now? Anyone know? We have any college kids we need to ink to a contract or draft picks as well, all of which will be reaching their deadline before O'Sullivan's contract comes off the books? We would also have one less contract spot open to go after a college UFA. Personally, I'd rather take a chance we find a Matt Read before we try and salvage O'Sullivan.

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Had terrific chemistry w/Kopitar...just saying. No clue what led to his demise after his holdout/trade.
I think you and me could have terrific chemistry with Kopitar in all honesty.

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12-05-2011, 03:45 PM
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Was this really needed? IMO, it's not something to joke about, especially about a guy like Sully who has been abused before.
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Wasn't it POS, Kopitar, and Brown in 2008/9? ... and Brown apparently prefers to play on the right anyway.

Leave Gagne with Richards and let Penner play 3rd line
Brown had said back then that he had preferred to play RW but obviously his view has changed. And although it's only been 2 games, I really liked him on the LW.

I wouldn't be opposed to giving Sully a chance but remember, Sully's downfall in the nhl began with TM as his coach.

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It does matter. There is a big difference if Phoenix is giving up on him entirely and releasing him vs sending him to the AHL where he could at least work on his deficiencies. He's not so old that it's unlikely that he'll ever come around.
I am pretty sure the outright release does not exist in the NHL because the contracts are guaranteed. (Or Dallas would have gone that route with Avery and Edmonton with Souray)
There is the send them done and hoped he gets claimed option, then the recall waivers option.
Outside of that, buyout is the next closest thing.

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Why the fascination with this guy? He's not NHL calibre anymore. Move on.

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Why the fascination with this guy? He's not NHL calibre anymore. Move on.
People love to look in the rear view mirror.

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Why the fascination with this guy? He's not NHL calibre anymore. Move on.
Yep, people have been saying the same about Souray for the past 4-5 years.

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Yep, people have been saying the same about Souray for the past 4-5 years.
Only Oilers fans.

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It's funny how often his name comes up any time he's on waivers or becomes available. Isn't it rather telling that he's been through Minnesota, LA, Edmonton, Carolina, Phoenix, not to mention countless other minor league clubs, and he can't stick anywhere?

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I wouldn't mind him being back.

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Wasn't it POS, Kopitar, and Brown in 2008/9? ... and Brown apparently prefers to play on the right anyway.

Leave Gagne with Richards and let Penner play 3rd line
So if the Kings claim him, you'd change your tune about the organ-eye-zation?

Didn't think so.

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Why the fascination with this guy? He's not NHL calibre anymore. Move on.
Seems like that's a hard thing to accept for some around here since you know he's been abused and all.

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Isn't it rather telling that he's been through Minnesota, LA, Edmonton, Carolina, Phoenix, not to mention countless other minor league clubs, and he can't stick anywhere?
Maybe some Kings fans around here know something these clubs don't?

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