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12-05-2011, 02:41 PM
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Gagne-Kopitar-Williams
Brown-Stoll-Hunter
Penner-Loktionov-Moreau
Clifford-Fraser-Westgarth

I think that this is one of the worst line combinations at the worst time that Murray has ever made.

Williams has had questionable chemistry with Gagne, though obviously the first line is the least of our worries.

This guy takes Brown off left wing after he has a very strong showing and then puts in Penner, then Penner has arguably his strongest game in a Kings uniform and the very next game he demotes him and moves Brown back over?

Then the worst move in the whole lineup, Hunter, makes me want to pull my hair out. Hunter doesn't belong on the top 6. Period. End of story.

What is with the banishment of Lewis and Richardson? Think they are redundant? Fine, bench one of them, but they are both high energy, fast skaters, agile skaters, and Lewis is one of our better penalty killers, especially now that Richards is out...

Moreau is a natural left winger. He shouldn't be on the right side, and honestly, his goal was nice and all, but it doesn't mean that he should be on the third line.

Murray just honestly doesn't get it. It has been the same thing year in and year out. Every 10 seconds everyone is playing with someone new. I can't think of any other team that shakes up their lines as much as we do. He does it because he thinks the line combinations aren't working when the whole system isn't working. He has to go. We may have to wait for the offseason, but Lombardi needs to make the call, because this is ridiculous.

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12-05-2011, 02:45 PM
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Man, I'm at the stage that I can't even remember what the lines even were on Saturday in order to make a comparison. Waaaayyyy to much movement. Hope it works (shrug).

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12-05-2011, 02:47 PM
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When did the "last name comma first name" thing get so hip? Did I miss a meeting?

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12-05-2011, 02:50 PM
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Man, I'm at the stage that I can't even remember what the lines even were on Saturday in order to make a comparison. Waaaayyyy to much movement. Hope it works (shrug).
I'm going to do this off the top of my head, but I honestly do not know.

Clifford-Kopitar-Hunter
Penner-Stoll-Brown
Gagne-Loktionov-Williams
Moreau-Fraser-Westgarth

How'd I do?

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12-05-2011, 02:51 PM
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.... What is with the banishment of Lewis and Richardson? ...
Neither of them can finish. And finish means everything to this team right now. Not energy. Not speed. Not even dot-to-board (heresy!).

Just finish.

(As a matter of fact, I might copyright that for Nike.)

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12-05-2011, 02:55 PM
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I'm going to do this off the top of my head, but I honestly do not know.

Clifford-Kopitar-Hunter
Penner-Stoll-Brown
Gagne-Loktionov-Williams
Moreau-Fraser-Westgarth

How'd I do?
I think you're joking but in case you're not:

Gagne-Kopi-Brown
Penner-Stoll-Williams
Richie-Lokti-Hunter
Clifford-Fraser-Moreau

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12-05-2011, 02:56 PM
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... Murray just honestly doesn't get it. It has been the same thing year in and year out. Every 10 seconds everyone is playing with someone new. I can't think of any other team that shakes up their lines as much as we do. He does it because he thinks the line combinations aren't working when the whole system isn't working. He has to go. We may have to wait for the offseason, but Lombardi needs to make the call, because this is ridiculous.

I think we have it backwards. We think Murray does it for the usual reasons... motivation, chemistry, looking for something, waking someone up, blah, blah. Actually he does it because, in his mind, the system is more important than any player or any line combo.

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Neither of them can finish. And finish means everything to this team right now. Not energy. Not speed. Not even dot-to-board (heresy!).

Just finish.

(As a matter of fact, I might copyright that for Nike.)
Hunter and Moreau do? I'd rather have the two way guys, that have speed, kill penalties, and can make plays than the old slow guys that get burned, take penalties, and get constantly taken to the boards.

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12-05-2011, 02:57 PM
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What about Hitchcock, Ken and Bylsma, Dan etc?
I am a huge Terry Murray hater at this time. But I would also agree that changing coaches right now isn't that good an idea. Too far into the season. If we were near last place, that's one thing. But we should get into the playoffs fine. I think the risk outweighs the return (for now). But I will be happy to say GTFO as soon as the season's over unless we have the cup.

As for these lines, more facepalm. But it's not that bad. I'm interested to see what Lokti does. I really think he is going to have one of those break out games soon. Hope Penner joins him.

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12-05-2011, 02:58 PM
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I think you're joking but in case you're not:

Gagne-Kopi-Brown
Penner-Stoll-Williams
Richie-Lokti-Hunter
Clifford-Fraser-Moreau
I was not joking. I think we've seen the Clifford-Kopitar-Hunter first line, right? And I thought that was during the Montreal game. That's how bad the line jumbling situation has become.

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12-05-2011, 03:00 PM
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Gagne-Kopitar-Williams
Brown-Stoll-Hunter
Penner-Loktionov-Moreau
Clifford-Fraser-Westgarth

This is a JUMBO line up with five edgy guys (Hunter, Moreau, Clifford, Fraser, and Westgarth) designed to lay waste to the Ducks. TM is looking for intensity and a size overmatch. We've already got a bunch of top 6 forwards who can't finish. We don't need to add faster bottom 6 guys who can't finish either.

Maybe he's just trying to reduce the jinx effect since the nasty five aren't expected to score anyway.

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12-05-2011, 03:14 PM
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Neither of them can finish. And finish means everything to this team right now. Not energy. Not speed. Not even dot-to-board (heresy!).

Just finish.

(As a matter of fact, I might copyright that for Nike.)
other than gagne and richards noone on this team can finish.

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12-05-2011, 03:22 PM
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We need more Finnish players... that's for sure.

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12-05-2011, 03:46 PM
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When did the "last name comma first name" thing get so hip? Did I miss a meeting?
Apparently, you didn't get the memo 620, Duc. The memo was a directive from SCV, Tony and was sent to everyone including SP, P.

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We need more Finnish players... that's for sure.
This team is all Swedish, no Finnish.

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as in swedish like candy cane swedish????

(i know, painful)

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This team is all Swedish, no Finnish.
Ha! Jarret stollstrom

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Apparently, you didn't get the memo 620, Duc. The memo was a directive from SCV, Tony and was sent to everyone including SP, P.
Elf, Buddy The, it's actually P, PS


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Interesting. I'm glad to see the first line the way it is. I hope it jump starts all three of those guys, as they found success earlier this year. Brown back on left wing is nice, as he looked great the game or two he played there a few games ago. The third line is just...odd.


Not to speculate but Dennis Bernstein tweeted:



So I then tweeted back asking if something was going down in Kings land this afternoon and he wrote back:




Hmmmmm........

ETA: I tweeted back Coaching news? or something like that and he said:



Darn, only one can hope.
Photo shoot today with the ice girls

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12-05-2011, 05:13 PM
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Murray trying to find the key to getting Williams and to a lesser extent Kopitar going again? We need everyone on that top line producing.

Loktionov better start figuring out that he needs to create more shots for himself. I can't see that 2nd line completing more than one pass in a row.

Bernstein is probably excited about meeting some of the ice girls.
You were right. Unbelievable....

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Elf, Buddy The, it's actually P, PS

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I wonder if Murray has a line combo app?

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I wonder if Murray has a line combo app?
Haha!

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I wonder if Murray has a line combo app?
He just asks Siri on his iPhone. "Siri, what line combinations should I use for tonight's game against Anaheim"?

"I've found 321 line combinations for tonights game against Anaheim".

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He just asks Siri on his iPhone. "Siri, what line combinations should I use for tonight's game against Anaheim"?

"I've found 321 line combinations for tonights game against Anaheim".

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