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12-05-2011, 10:20 AM
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The context is also missing here. What question prompted this response? What was the situation of the question?

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12-05-2011, 10:24 AM
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yep I remember that being said. Suter and Trotz butting heads again can't be a good thing.
i said it.

I think it is more professional disagreement than personal though. bottom line is Suter is supposed to bring these things up if it is an issue. I am sure he was venting out of frustration because of the loss. There are many factors at play here, but I do not think it is a clash between player and coach. It is something to run with because we are bored.

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12-05-2011, 10:34 AM
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It's not really a big deal right now, and it's not the first time it's happened here. Too many variables to take one quote and run with it. But you still don't want to see it. It always starts with a little rumbling here and there, if not dealt with professionally (behind closed doors between players and coaches) then it has a chance to build up.

Seems to me that IF there's anything to the story here, it will be handled appropriately by Trotz and Suter. As the time or two in the past when a coach was questioned publicly, it never went any farther.

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12-05-2011, 11:48 AM
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I am ashamed. Me not knowing this news until my husband saw it on Twitter and someone posted it on the boards simultaneously reveals that I get my locally-grown Predators news from the Tennessean exclusively. WTF am I thinking? I'm counting on Josh Cooper to tell me these quotes!

Instead, I was late to the interesting Suter quotes party...but I know all about how "Nashville Predators Might Seek Ticket Tax Increase!!!"

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12-05-2011, 12:23 PM
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The context is also missing here. What question prompted this response? What was the situation of the question?
From the sounds of it, the pairings were being switched at will in the middle of the game. Which, to be honest, is pretty normal during a game. He must be frustrated at something else now that I think about it.

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12-05-2011, 12:54 PM
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From the sounds of it, the pairings were being switched at will in the middle of the game. Which, to be honest, is pretty normal during a game. He must be frustrated at something else now that I think about it.
Yep. More to this than is being given.

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12-05-2011, 01:13 PM
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From the sounds of it, the pairings were being switched at will in the middle of the game. Which, to be honest, is pretty normal during a game. He must be frustrated at something else now that I think about it.
My first thought was that's how the forward combinations have been handled for as long as I can remember. The blueliners on this team are a little spoiled. Trotz rarely tinkers with D-men combinations unless there is an injury. Suter never speaks about how line juggling affects the chemistry and consistency of the forwards on the team. But when it affects his performance he whines to the press. If he's frustrated, talk to the coaching staff behind closed doors. If it can't be resolved to his satisfaction, he can sign with another team soon enough.


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12-05-2011, 04:47 PM
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From the sounds of it, the pairings were being switched at will in the middle of the game. Which, to be honest, is pretty normal during a game. He must be frustrated at something else now that I think about it.
actually we have seen trotz switch up forwards at will but the defensive pairs are usually pretty well set. I thought it was odd how many different combos were used, too.

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12-05-2011, 04:59 PM
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I honestly think we need a 2nd pairing dman more than we need a top six forward. Trotz wouldn't have to mess with the pairings all the time if the 2nd pairing was at least adequate, which it is not.

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12-05-2011, 05:07 PM
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I honestly think we need a 2nd pairing dman more than we need a top six forward. Trotz wouldn't have to mess with the pairings all the time if the 2nd pairing was at least adequate, which it is not.
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I honestly think we need a 2nd pairing dman more than we need a top six forward. Trotz wouldn't have to mess with the pairings all the time if the 2nd pairing was at least adequate, which it is not.
was just getting ready to post this in the trade thread, although I think a serviceable 3rd pair guy would be adequate and cost less.

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12-05-2011, 05:27 PM
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meh nothing to see here other than suter wanting this team to perform... itll be fine..

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My question is why is Suter saying it and not Weber...If he was just trying to light a fire under the team wouldn't it be Weber?

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I suggested this in the trade thread but we should go after Robidas. Fairly priced with two years remaining on a decent contract. Guy is a good all around player that would solidify the second pairing.

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12-05-2011, 06:43 PM
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My first thought was that's how the forward combinations have been handled for as long as I can remember. The blueliners on this team are a little spoiled. Trotz rarely tinkers with D-men combinations unless there is an injury. Suter never speaks about how line juggling affects the chemistry and consistency of the forwards on the team. But when it affects his performance he whines to the press. If he's frustrated, talk to the coaching staff behind closed doors. If it can't be resolved to his satisfaction, he can sign with another team soon enough.
Better a happy Suter as a Pred, with no Trotz, than a happy Trotz as a Pred with no Suter.

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12-05-2011, 07:20 PM
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Better a happy Suter as a Pred, with no Trotz, than a happy Trotz as a Pred with no Suter.
The Trotz-led Predators survived before Suter (and Weber), they'd survive without. That said, people are reading WAY too far into this.

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I suggested this in the trade thread but we should go after Robidas. Fairly priced with two years remaining on a decent contract. Guy is a good all around player that would solidify the second pairing.
Yeah, but he's playing on the first pairing in Dallas. No way the Stars trade their TOI leader when they're on top of the Pacific.

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Didn't I read that it was Lambert that does the defense pairings and NOT Trotz?

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Wonder if it's a Lambert issue. He seems... not Peterson like when interviewed. He may be a great guy but frankly doesn't really come across that well. Anyone know his reputation? If need be, that can be corrected at the end of the year if necessary.

Suter is going to have 6.6M to 7.4M good reasons (per year) to stick around. I'm not too worried.

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Wonder if it's a Lambert issue. He seems... not Peterson like when interviewed. He may be a great guy but frankly doesn't really come across that well. Anyone know his reputation? If need be, that can be corrected at the end of the year if necessary.

Suter is going to have 6.6M to 7.4M good reasons (per year) to stick around. I'm not too worried.
Or he can take the same amount somewhere else. Not exactly the best argument.

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When I read the article yesterday I didn't have a problem with it. Suter states that he was unhappy about how the game pairings were managed and that he planned on getting together with the leadership and the coaching staff and that they would sort this all out.

While I think most of us would prefer that Suter didn't speak to the media about it, it happens in most hockey markets when the media sticks their microphones in the right place. Still, Suter did this in a respectful manner and didn't cross any lines.

This isn't a typical Nashville Predator media sound byte, but the team has evolved, the media presence has increased, and I think we're starting to turn that corner a bit.

As far as I'm concerned, when I've coached I always appreciated that if the players had a concern that they didn't hold it back and grumble amongst themselves. Rather I think it's better for them to address this before the next game and get a good dialog going so that both sides can learn from it and maybe resolve the issue prior to the next game.

If Suter had snapped at the coaches on the bench or in the locker room in front of the media, then it would be a MAJOR story. This seems like him talking in a calm manner about an issue he'd like to see addressed and committed to working it out with the coaching staff in a timely manner...

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The Trotz-led Predators survived before Suter (and Weber), they'd survive without. That said, people are reading WAY too far into this.
Subtly implying that only Trotz could coach the Preds? Should have moved Trotz to MIL to train the kids and hired an NHL coach who can win a first round series against a team who isn't stuck playing an injured goaltender---

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When I read the article yesterday I didn't have a problem with it. Suter states that he was unhappy about how the game pairings were managed and that he planned on getting together with the leadership and the coaching staff and that they would sort this all out.

While I think most of us would prefer that Suter didn't speak to the media about it, it happens in most hockey markets when the media sticks their microphones in the right place. Still, Suter did this in a respectful manner and didn't cross any lines.

This isn't a typical Nashville Predator media sound byte, but the team has evolved, the media presence has increased, and I think we're starting to turn that corner a bit.

As far as I'm concerned, when I've coached I always appreciated that if the players had a concern that they didn't hold it back and grumble amongst themselves. Rather I think it's better for them to address this before the next game and get a good dialog going so that both sides can learn from it and maybe resolve the issue prior to the next game.

If Suter had snapped at the coaches on the bench or in the locker room in front of the media, then it would be a MAJOR story. This seems like him talking in a calm manner about an issue he'd like to see addressed and committed to working it out with the coaching staff in a timely manner...
Only a Suter or a Weber could make these kind of statements and get away with it. Any other player would be sat or dealt after making comments criticizing the way he is being coached.

I re-watched the Sabres game and saw how frustrated Suter was after Adam scored that first Sabres goal. Suter was faked out and ended up sliding across the ice trying to block a shot that was never taken. I don't know if that move was a function of playing with Blum, the other defenseman, or just a poor play on Suter's part.

My advice to Suter would be to tend to his own game and not comment on others or the coaching he is getting. He has been less than stellar IMO in his last half dozen games or so.

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Or he can take the same amount somewhere else. Not exactly the best argument.
I fully expect that the Preds will offer him more than he can reasonably bank on making as a UFA. They did with Rinne. Hamhuis still would be here if they had done that with him. In fact, I don't know of a player that wanted to leave here and was willing to risk earning less to do it. I think it's a fine argument.

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I fully expect that the Preds will offer him more than he can reasonably bank on making as a UFA. They did with Rinne. Hamhuis still would be here if they had done that with him. In fact, I don't know of a player that wanted to leave here and was willing to risk earning less to do it. I think it's a fine argument.
Hard to say. Suter and Weber are very, very special players, and if they hit the open market, they could just about set their own price, they wouldn't need to take less money in order to sign elsewhere.

As for Rinne, I like pretty much everyone in the world had to pick up my jaw when I saw what he got, and yes, I do question whether he would have gotten that on the open market. But at the same time, goalies face a weaker market as there's a glut of No.1 goalies. Even though Rinne's level is rare, teams consistently show they're willing to go with less elite goaltending and save the dough for skaters. Not so with big, two-way, reliable, skilled defensemen, who will always get premium dollars.

Hamhuis, yes, seems like he would have stayed if he got a solid offer with a bit of a hometown discount, but he's not on the same level as Weber or Suter, and he in the end also ended up taking less money to play closer to his family in BC.

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