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12-07-2011, 12:08 AM
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Is it ever a coaching issue with you? We have, on paper, arguably a better team than we have had in ages, yet our record continues to get worse and worse. If you count OTL/SO losses as losses, we are 13-14 now. We aren't even a winning team, and really, outside of these new injuries to Richards and Mitchell, and a sevn game injury to Doughty, our core players have been almost completely healthy all year. We are deadlast in the league in goals and I can't even remember when we scored three goals in a game. I think we've only scored three in a game four times in 27 games. Murray has to shoulder some of that. Tonight we don't even realize we are playing a hockey game until it's already half over. That's his issue just as much as it is the players.

Are you his kid or something? It's not all his fault by any stretch, but your refusal to even pin an inch of responsiblity on the coaching staff is naseating.
Why don't we wait til everyone is healthy? Penner is now playing like we thought he would when we traded for him. Let's get Richards and Mitchell back and see how we do from there.

I still believe in our players and I would like to see TM coach with a full healthy squad before we terminate him.

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12-07-2011, 12:09 AM
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I see those every time I leave my place. It makes me sad now. What a bad joke.
Hopefully it now means the time is now to fire TM.

This looks just like San jose all over again for DL. Have a great team on paper, but an older coach who plays a defense first, grind it out style filled with past their prime vets on the lower lines and good, but under achieving talent on the top lines. Remember how your final seaon in San jose went DL? You fired Sutter to late to get away from the suction of the ship going down and you got sucked in with it. If you want to repeat that, you're well on your way again in LA.

Fire TM and get a coach in here who knows that the goal light is not a warning siren to stop going anywhere near it.

If TM isn't gone in the next 10 games, we had better have won at least 7 of them, or it's DL's fault. Period.

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12-07-2011, 12:11 AM
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Why don't we wait til everyone is healthy? Penner is now playing like we thought he would when we traded for him. Let's get Richards and Mitchell back and see how we do from there.

I still believe in our players and I would like to see TM coach with a full healthy squad before we terminate him.
Really? After 273 games with Murray the Kings are 29th in offense. 3 goals per game is never going to happen with Murray.

I believe in the players too. They have shown that they can score in the NHL. Murray post-lockout? Not so much.

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12-07-2011, 12:11 AM
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Penner was the only good thing to come out of this game for me. He looked fantastic and I hope he keeps it up from now on. It was nice seeing Williams break the drought as well.

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12-07-2011, 12:12 AM
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At this point, I'm done blaming Murray. This is on Lombardi. Make a trade, make a coaching change, but please do something! The effort inconsistency and the lack of scoring is a trend that is beyond Murray at this point. It's time to sack-up Dean!
I agree something needs to happen. But, as far as trades go. Who are they going to trade? Martinez is on IR. Penner? Who really wants him? Stoll? Same thing. Voynov? Loktionov? You have to really think about it. GM's around the league know the Kings are struggling and aren't going to do any favors for him. It has to be a trade that's going to help this team for the long haul or just for playoffs sake. It's not that easy. I'm not blaming Dean yet. The easiest thing would be to fire Terry. I know he isn't sitting around doing nothing. He will figure something out. Plus, if they trade a player, do you really think it's going to do something for the future? Maybe for a couple games. But, it's more than that. The Kings lack intensity and heart. At least most of them do.

If anything needs to happen it's with the coaching. I don't care if Stevens becomes the new coach. At least he has a more open system (at least I am aware of).

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12-07-2011, 12:14 AM
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Terry...bench his star player?!?! Neverrrrrrr.
I know...I know...

I think there are many coaches that would have benched Kopitar and Doughty on the PP by now. They don't listen. They hold the puck too long instead of moving it.

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Why don't we wait til everyone is healthy? Penner is now playing like we thought he would when we traded for him. Let's get Richards and Mitchell back and see how we do from there.

I still believe in our players and I would like to see TM coach with a full healthy squad before we terminate him.
What team were you watching before they got hurt? Gagne missed a few games and Doughty missed seven. Other than that it was a slumping Penner and Parse out, no big losses.

Compared to some other teams, LA has had it real easy in terms of injury games lost.

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12-07-2011, 12:15 AM
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Is it ever a coaching issue with you? We have, on paper, arguably a better team than we have had in ages, yet our record continues to get worse and worse. If you count OTL/SO losses as losses, we are 13-14 now. We aren't even a winning team, and really, outside of these new injuries to Richards and Mitchell, and a sevn game injury to Doughty, our core players have been almost completely healthy all year. We are deadlast in the league in goals and I can't even remember when we scored three goals in a game. I think we've only scored three in a game four times in 27 games. Murray has to shoulder some of that. Tonight we don't even realize we are playing a hockey game until it's already half over. That's his issue just as much as it is the players.

Are you his kid or something? It's not all his fault by any stretch, but your refusal to even pin an inch of responsiblity on the coaching staff is naseating.
I wasn't really disappointed with the effort tonight so I'm not sure where the animosity is coming from. Maybe because it was the Ducks? Because it was two straight? Both the Ducks/Habs games were winnable games. This team has had a shot in almost every game this season. I like that a lot more than the win big lose big way this team played when I started watching them.

Both teams were tentative in the first two. Edge Ducks slightly, they had the better chances but they couldn't hit the net. Lots of feeling out, neither team wanted to make mistakes; the Kings because of Quick's lapse, the Ducks because they've been blowing leads lately. There really wasn't any physicality from either team for that reason. We dominated the third, I'd include the end of the second in there tonight. That was probably the best period we played all season, definitely up there. The Ducks never really controlled the play the way we did. In a vacuum it wasn't a bad game. Losing by one goal that comes with less than a minute left in a rivalry matchup is disappointing, for sure, but it was just a lucky bounce that ended up being the game winner.

And no, I'm not his kid lol. I don't cover the Kings anymore either so I'm not invested in that way either. I don't have any allegiance to him and never have. I just don't turn on coaches as easily as most. I focus more on the players.

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Tough way to lose. Weird bounces all night. It looked like we were going back to the pass instead of shoot mentality which is frustrating to watch. On to the next game...

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It just baffles my mind that a team that's increased in talent and increased in experience in the last few years can be on pace to score 46 less goals than 2 seasons ago. No one here can legitimately claim that the 2009-2010 team was more talented than this team.

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Really? After 273 games with Murray the Kings are 29th in offense. 3 goals per game is never going to happen with Murray.

I believe in the players too. They have shown that they can score in the NHL. Murray post-lockout? Not so much.
I'm just talking about this year.

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It seems like a lot of you are being particularly negative this evening - almost sounding some of the enlightened ones several weeks or months ago ...



No, I'm not going to say it - but I'm thinking it

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I know...I know...

I think there are many coaches that would have benched Kopitar and Doughty on the PP by now. They don't listen. They hold the puck too long instead of moving it.
Problem is, we don't know they aren't listening.

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What team were you watching before they got hurt? Gagne missed a few games and Doughty missed seven. Other than that it was a slumping Penner and Parse out, no big losses.

Compared to some other teams, LA has had it real easy in terms of injury games lost.
I don't think Penner and Parse were slumping, but rather playing injured.

I know I'm in the minority here but I do think we just need to be a little more patient.

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It seems like a lot of you are being particularly negative this evening - almost sounding some of the enlightened ones several weeks or months ago ...



No, I'm not going to say it - but I'm thinking it
careful Pat - in the old days heretics were burned at the stake...now they are just belittled on a website...

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I wasn't really disappointed with the effort tonight so I'm not sure where the animosity is coming from. Maybe because it was the Ducks? Because it was two straight? Both the Ducks/Habs games were winnable games. This team has had a shot in almost every game this season. I like that a lot more than the win big lose big way this team played when I started watching them.

Both teams were tentative in the first two. Edge Ducks slightly, they had the better chances but they couldn't hit the net. Lots of feeling out, neither team wanted to make mistakes; the Kings because of Quick's lapse, the Ducks because they've been blowing leads lately. There really wasn't any physicality from either team for that reason. We dominated the third, I'd include the end of the second in there tonight. That was probably the best period we played all season, definitely up there. The Ducks never really controlled the play the way we did. In a vacuum it wasn't a bad game. Losing by one goal that comes with less than a minute left in a rivalry matchup is disappointing, for sure, but it was just a lucky bounce that ended up being the game winner.

And no, I'm not his kid lol. I don't cover the Kings anymore either so I'm not invested in that way either. I don't have any allegiance to him and never have. I just don't turn on coaches as easily as most. I focus more on the players.
I don't know what you were watching, but the Kings were flat out awful for the first two periods. No pressure on the forecheck. Getting dominated down low in the defensive zone. Numerous one-and-dones on the attack. It speaks to a much larger problem when this team goes through the motions for a majority of its games. How often can you legitimately say this team pushes the pedal to the metal like they did in the third tonight. Once a week...maybe?

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It seems like a lot of you are being particularly negative this evening - almost sounding some of the enlightened ones several weeks or months ago ...



No, I'm not going to say it - but I'm thinking it
There's a difference between being negative after one game and negative on nerly a neverending basis.

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I don't think Penner and Parse were slumping, but rather playing injured.

I know I'm in the minority here but I do think we just need to be a little more patient.
If Penner was so hurt as to only produce two assists in 14 games, then we should fire the training staff because they should have forced Penner to rest.

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I don't know what you were watching, but the Kings were flat out awful for the first two periods. No pressure on the forecheck. Getting dominated down low in the defensive zone. Numerous one-and-dones on the attack. It speaks to a much larger problem when this team goes through the motions for a majority of its games. How often can you legitimately say this team pushes the pedal to the metal like they did in the third tonight. Once a week...maybe?
They didn't play well but I also didn't think Quick had to play superman tonight. They stayed in it and turned it around with that late period goal. We were never down and out.

Most teams aren't even capable of putting together one period as good as the third period we played tonight on a consistent basis, much less maintaining that for a whole game or multiple in a row. I think this team's capable of playing that well on a regular basis but the lapses (Quick tonight, bad penalties, etc) are what are holding us back. Hard to get momentum going when you're constantly digging yourself holes.

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There's a difference between being negative after one game and negative on nerly a neverending basis.
I think some of us would argue that we are being objective and realistic...not negative. BIG difference.

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To have many consider the Kings to have the best top 6 in the NHL and be dead last in scoring is unacceptable! Terry Murray needs to be fired just for that reason alone!


Defense does not win championships! You have score a goal to win. You could keep teams to 1 or 2 goals a game all season long but it's completely meaningless if you don't score at an average of 3 goals a game!

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I think some of us would argue that we are being objective and realistic...not negative. BIG difference.
It's called being delusional.

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Hunter and Moreau are going to play whether TM is the coach or not. Replace them with Lewis and Richardson and you still lose 3-2.

Mediocre talent = mediocre coach
This is just one of the many things he does that is not up to par.

This team does not have mediocre talent.

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They didn't play well but I also didn't think Quick had to play superman tonight. They stayed in it and turned it around with that late period goal. We were never down and out.

Most teams aren't even capable of putting together one period as good as the third period we played tonight on a consistent basis, much less maintaining that for a whole game or multiple in a row. I think this team's capable of playing that well on a regular basis but the lapses (Quick tonight, bad penalties, etc) are what are holding us back. Hard to get momentum going when you're constantly digging yourself holes.
This team has not played "well on a regular basis" for any pertinent stretch this season. I don't expect them to dominate like they did in the third, but it's pretty obvious this team has another level they can take it to, but it rarely happens. They have a pacifist coach who doesn't believe in the need to motivate players and pacifist captain who has decided he no longer needs to support on the forecheck, so I guess it's not surprising the rest of the team is following suit.

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There's a difference between being negative after one game and negative on nerly a neverending basis.
Is is really just being negative if it is just the truth?

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This is just one of the many things he does that is not up to par.

This team does not have mediocre talent.
There are parts of this team that are mediocre. Five forwards on this team look to be too mediocre for their roles, I'm not including Penner in that either, although I should. Fraser's been the only competent bottom six forward so far this season. That's kind of a big deal. The defense is great but for whatever reason they don't transition quickly to the attack. Another big deal.

The two top lines are much too over-relied upon. It isn't good that they have to approach games knowing they aren't going to get help from the bottom six. They're being burdened with too much.

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