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12-07-2011, 11:19 AM
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Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury

If anyone beyond Frank Zappa can read the drum tabs here, please do pick up the sticks & get on with it. The latest as mentioned in LadyStanleys last post on the preceding thread has Greg Jamison beyond enigmatic. Frankly, Im beginning to wonder if Gary Bettman didnt commission Geppetto himself to construct the characters (sans the growing nose bit) in this long running saga strictly for his own amusement. Fractured Fairy Tales. I mean, c'mon here. Giddyup already.


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Summary of events from the last thread?

There was a rumor that Jamieson dropped out. Any truth to that?

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Summary of events from the last thread?

There was a rumor that Jamieson dropped out. Any truth to that?

2 weeks

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cotsonika Nick Cotsonika Just spoke to former Sharks CEO Greg Jamison, who is trying to put together a group to buy the Coyotes.

cotsonika Nick Cotsonika Jamison said there is a "good chance" a deal will get done to keep the Coyotes in Glendale. Still, it remains to be seen.

cotsonika Nick Cotsonika Jamison said: "It hasn't come easy, I'll tell you that." Might know something in a couple of weeks.

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The summary....

Nothing happening. Zip, zilch, notta.

Some comments from the NHL.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=604921&print=true

"We're continuing discussions with a couple of potentially interested purchasers," Daly told the media

I find it interesting that instead of having "purchasers" we now have "potentially interested purchasers". Speak english man. This is like being kinda pregnant. You are either buying the team or you are not. You are either negotiating or you are not. To get to this point and have a couple of groups that are just potentially interested doesn't bode well.

"We moved the Thrashers (to Winnipeg) pretty late last year. We're not looking at any deadlines right this minute," Bettman said.

This is even a more interesting comment. Considering that Bettman said the the Atlanta --> Winnipeg move was a one off never to happen again, why would he even mention it? Maybe a move is being setup behind the green door.

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Here is the thing. No one but perhaps the NHL knows what is happening. If you think you do, your full of b.s. The Coyotes could be staying in Arizona (at least for a period of years), or they could be out of here and likely in QC by next fall. Anyone who suggests they "know" what will happen is only fooling themselves.

It's fun to speculate, but one could just as easily read Jamison's recent comments as an indication as deal is likely to be done, or an indication that there is no deal (and may never be one). We read what we hope for.

Truth is, I am not expecting some resolution of this issue until perhaps late in the season....not two weeks.

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Two Weeks Two Weeks! ;-)

Those two weeks are really killing me.

It's a typo, he meant two months right?


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Here is the thing. No one but perhaps the NHL knows what is happening. If you think you do, your full of b.s. The Coyotes could be staying in Arizona (at least for a period of years), or they could be out of here and likely in QC by next fall. Anyone who suggests they "know" what will happen is only fooling themselves.

It's fun to speculate, but one could just as easily read Jamison's recent comments as an indication as deal is likely to be done, or an indication that there is no deal (and may never be one). We read what we hope for.

Truth is, I am not expecting some resolution of this issue until perhaps late in the season....not two weeks.
2 weeks before the end of the season ?

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"We moved the Thrashers (to Winnipeg) pretty late last year. We're not looking at any deadlines right this minute," Bettman said.
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winnipeg had an infrastructure in place with TNSE.....they were also preparing more than a year in advance.....contracts had been negotiated, ticket strategies were done, marketing, management etc was all in place.

whoever is going to buy the coyotes will be starting from scratch.

it is possible that whoever is going to buy the team and relocate them is already working on these things, as TNSE was, but I would think that they would need a little more lead time than they got in winnipeg....they barely made it as it was.

when TNSE was working on things behind the scenes, there were lots of people who knew about it and leaks were pretty common (mostly dismissed at the time)....that doesnt seem to be happening at this point in another market like quebec.

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"Might know something in a couple of weeks"

Mmmm, maybe we will know something in a couple of weeks

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I'm still hanging on to the idea that there is nowhere for them to go right now.


Beasley is retiring, and Scuggs may not run for re-election. Westgate has been foreclosed upon with no takers at a public auction at bargain basement prices.

In other words, the use of a bond is DOA, so where else is COG going to get the kind of money a new owner would want in concessions? The NHL really has to decide if they're willing to fund this thing next year without COG, or lower a price so some owner can actually find enough investors to buy the team. Probably at half the NHL's asking price.

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I'm still hanging on to the idea that there is nowhere for them to go right now.


Beasley is retiring, and Scuggs may not run for re-election. Westgate has been foreclosed upon with no takers at a public auction at bargain basement prices.

In other words, the use of a bond is DOA, so where else is COG going to get the kind of money a new owner would want in concessions? The NHL really has to decide if they're willing to fund this thing next year without COG, or lower a price so some owner can actually find enough investors to buy the team. Probably at half the NHL's asking price.
to the expense of the 29 other teams.

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winnipeg had an infrastructure in place...that doesnt seem to be happening at this point in another market like quebec.
Very true. Maybe theres a massive cover-up going on somewhere thats beyond Roswell & the staged Lunar Landing in 69?.
Maybe the NHL genuinely, honestly & optimistically believes they can get a deal done.

The truth is out there...

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to the expense of the 29 other teams.

Exactly. They can't sell the team to someone in Phoenix without taking a loss.

So their options are to relocate the team, or contract it and recoup the lost money from expansion.

Like Maroons pointed out (he'll always be GHOST to me), the net amount isn't going to change. There is only X number of spots available for expansion, and they already are in the hole for $170-200 million on this one. You can arrange the dollars however you like, but $200 MM is this color.

(That means you place a negative sign in front of it when you add things up. Subtraction is the other mathematical term.)

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I just don't see contraction being a realistic option.

IMO, the NHL is starting the process of a move to Quebec City. If you read between the lines of what Bettman said at the BOG meetings, a lot of it is the same stuff he said before the move to Winnipeg was announced ("We never like to move franchises...", "We don't want to raise expectations...", etc). He even said at one point that the alignment allows "flexibility" in case a team has to be relocated. I've also noticed Peladeau has gone dead silent Chipman-style for a while now. I think the NHL told him to keep quiet if he wants to get in the NHL's good graces.

The X factor for me is Markham and what their end goal is. Do they want to try and convince the NHL to move the team to Markham instead of Quebec City? Or do they hope to land an expansion team at some point in the future (the new alignment would suggest the NHL wants 2 more teams at some point).

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Trust me, you can't believe a word that comes out of Bettman's or Daly's mouth when it comes to moving franchises.

As I've said before; when Gary said "Atlanta was a one off never to happen again..." he meant there weren't anymore NHL teams in Atlanta to move.

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Also, I thought this thread might be my feelings toward the NHL these days.

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Well written article by Bruce Arthur in the National Post...

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/...h-realignment/

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And now, only one thread way from:

Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything

And, damn it, I'm reserving that thread title even if I have to take up Fugu's persistent arm twisting generous offer to become a Mod to do it.

The story thus far:

Billions of years ago, a race of hyper-intelligent, pan-dimensional beings commissioned the construction of the planet Earth to answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything - just how in the hell is that Phoenix thing going to end?

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road
11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury


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Today's Murky News has a profile of Kevin Compton - the Sharks owner who replaced Jaimeson on the BoG.

Sharks' most visible owner prefers to stay in background

With this interesting, cryptic response to realignment:
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Then I asked him about the fact that mathematically, San Jose has less chance of making the playoffs than an East Coast franchise because it is in an eight-team conference.

His response: “Today.”

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Also, I thought this thread might be my feelings toward the NHL these days.
You like my title huh?. Yes, it was partly in honor to you & your wonderful avy Bongo, along with being the title to a completely twisted Frank Zappa album....

Oh sure, the Coyotes like the Thrashers were all cute & cuddly like a newborn Chimp when they arrived, but look at what they grew up to be under wayward and completely irresponsible parentage?. Wrecked the furniture, soiled every inch of carpeting... absolutely no table manners. Ninjas' who attack when your neither expecting it nor deserving of their enmity. Just like their step parents & in-laws ASG, Gluckstern, Burke, Ellman, Jerry Moyes & the NHL. Homicidal Megalomaniac's.

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Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Haight/Ashbury still a "happening" kdb or are you re-reading A HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy?...

and arent' your supposed to be working Long Hair?.

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I'm really getting tired of people complaining about Atlanta. That was your second chance for a hockey team, and you failed, again! Why are you bashing Phoenix so much? We were successful when they played downtown.

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I'm really getting tired of people complaining about Atlanta. That was your second chance for a hockey team, and you failed, again! Why are you bashing Phoenix so much? We were successful when they played downtown.
If the situation with Glendale doesn't work out hopefully there will be a buyer for the team that relocates them downtown so they can becoem successful again.

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I'm really getting tired of people complaining about Atlanta. That was your second chance for a hockey team, and you failed, again! Why are you bashing Phoenix so much? We were successful when they played downtown.
Which Atlanta fan has been bashing Phoenix?

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Honestly, I would be shocked if the Yotes weren't in Quebec City next year. The conference realignment was the final drop in the bucket for me. They did the 16 west, 14 east thing for a reason, I believe.

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