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12-07-2011, 10:07 PM
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Rule: is hitting the puck to a team mate with your wrist a 'hand pass'

according to the rules ?

can't find this in the rulebook.

i know in soccer, the shoulder to the hand all can result in a 'hand ball'


i know that if a puck is in the air and you bat it / take a swipe at it to a teammate with your hand [offensive zone] = hand pass.

what if you bat it with your wrist, is the question


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12-07-2011, 10:15 PM
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I can't cite a rule but I believe that is more on the lines of a deflection or redirection... A hand pass would usually consist of either closing the hand and throwing/flipping, or cradling in an open palm and doing such... I can't see a puck going off a wrist as a hand pass that would cause a stoppage in the offensive or neutral zones. But as I said I can't back that up with a rule... and is there a rule on a non-infraction?

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i know that if a puck is in the air and you bat it to a teammate with your hand [offensive zone] = hand pass.

what if you bat it with your wrist, is the question

clarified post 1, as well

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i know that if a puck is in the air and you bat it to a teammate with your hand [offensive zone] = hand pass.

what if you bat it with your wrist, is the question

clarified post 1, as well
Yeah; good point... I suppose that is so, and not only using the palm of the hand as I suggested. I'd still think that it is not a hand pass but considered a deflection or redirection... But in the light of how you have now just stated it, I suppose backing it up by citing an actual rule would be in order... Sorry.

EDIT: Upon further though, I think it may be how it is done and how the official views it... An incidental deflection/redirection is one thing, while doing so to get the puck to a teammate for a shot may be quite a different matter... Great question, and not as easy as I originally thought.


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From a medical web site, the wrist is part of the hand, same as fingers and thumb(s).

By a strict intrepretation, as you describe, the play would be treated equally to a hand pass.

http://www.bidmc.org/CentersandDepar...oftheHand.aspx

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The human hand has 27 bones: the carpals or wrist accounts for 8; the metacarpals or palm contains five; the remaining fourteen are digital bones; fingers and thumb.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26478

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Rule 67 - Handling Puck

67.1 Handling Puck - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he has deliberately directed the puck to a teammate in any zone other than the defending zone, in which case the play shall be stopped and a face-off conducted (see Rule 79 – Hand Pass). Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defending zone.

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck”.

A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who, while play is in progress, picks up the puck off the ice with his hand.

Rule 79 - Hand Pass

79.1 Hand Pass - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he has directed the puck to a teammate.

A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck” under Rule 67 – Handling Puck.

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As a ref, I would call it a hand pass if it looks intentional. In the moment, I doubt I would be able to discern whether the puck struck the hand or wrist.

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yup, the NHL rules [i had looked] don't single out the wrist .. but if a puck is in the air and you bat it to a team mate with the back of your hand = hand pass.

if the wrist is considered part of the hand, then i'd think a 'wrist pass' is as illegal as a 'hand pass'
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The hand can be considered in four segments:
Fingers: Digits that extend from the palm of the hand, the fingers make it possible for humans to grab the smallest of objects.
Palm: This is the bottom of the body of the hand,
Back (opisthenar): The spot that everyone knows so well, the back of the hand shows the dorsal venous network, a web of veins.
Wrist: The connection point between the arm and the hand, the wrist facilitates hand motion.
http://www.healthline.com/human-body-maps/hand#1/7


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Can you elbow pass to a teammate?

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Can you elbow pass to a teammate?
Yeah I think so. Another note, if you hit something with your wrist, while wearing a hockey glove, it's most likely bouncing off of the glove, so yeah, absolutely looks like a hand pass.

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Another note, if you hit something with your wrist, while wearing a hockey glove, it's most likely bouncing off of the glove, so yeah, absolutely looks like a hand pass.
excellent point .... i'd bet anything off the glove = 'hand pass' in the NHL

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Funny, I was thinking along the lines of the back of the wrist... really didn't think of the front of the wrist, which I'd say would not be distinguished from the hand itself... especially with a hockey glove on.

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