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Do you guys Consider Theo Fleury & Pat Verbeek Power Forwards?

View Poll Results: Fleury & Verbeek: Power Forwards?
Yes Both do 2 10.00%
No Neither do 17 85.00%
Only Fleury 1 5.00%
Only Verbeek 0 0%
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12-06-2011, 11:09 PM
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Do you guys Consider Theo Fleury & Pat Verbeek Power Forwards?

Both were vicious and physical players with great offensive abilities. But they were also both small guys. I always saw power forwards as big, strong, physical, and equally capable of playing physically, scoring goals, and and willingly engage in fights when he feels it's required The catch is both players were small guys. But i am also aware that Wendel Clark was considered a Power Forward, and he was 5'11 197, Which is why i ask, do they fit the term Power Forward?

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No, I don't.

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In my mind, power forwards are forwards who use size and strength to create room for their offense. It's not just a tool, it defines their play. Simply being a physical player doesn't qualify you.

I would say neither.

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12-06-2011, 11:26 PM
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No, and to tell you the truth even Wendel I thought of more as a skilled sniper who murdered people in his spare time. Hell, I think a guy can even be a bit on the soft side, and still be considered a power forward if the bulk of his work is done in the corners and the slot, like Wheeler or Antropov.

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a pesky energy guy can be a power forward, and a power forward can be a pesky energy guy (think: young neely). but not every pesky energy guy can be a power forward.

no, to me fleury and verbeek don't count. they didn't have the power. you wouldn't call brad marchand a power forward either, even though he plays a chippy and physicaly game.

wendel was small, but you can't deny he had the power. when he hit he destroyed guys.

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and theo was one of my favourite players of all time, by the way.

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12-07-2011, 12:25 AM
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No, and to tell you the truth even Wendel I thought of more as a skilled sniper who murdered people in his spare time. Hell, I think a guy can even be a bit on the soft side, and still be considered a power forward if the bulk of his work is done in the corners and the slot, like Wheeler or Antropov.
now that i think about it, i'm not sure i'd even consider tkachuk in the second half of his career a power forward in the strict sense. i mean, would we call andreychuk or kerr power forwards? they were big strong guys who took abuse in front of the net and scored a lot of goals in the crease, but they weren't big forecheckers, and they didn't plow through guys on the rush like wendel or tocchet or neely did.

now young tkachuk, who i saw a lot of when he was in winnipeg, that was a classic power forward. hit everything that moved and hit to hurt, dropped the gloves, and put the puck in the net. nasty nasty player who made his presence felt every time he was on the ice.

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now that i think about it, i'm not sure i'd even consider tkachuk in the second half of his career a power forward in the strict sense. i mean, would we call andreychuk or kerr power forwards? they were big strong guys who took abuse in front of the net and scored a lot of goals in the crease, but they weren't big forecheckers, and they didn't plow through guys on the rush like wendel or tocchet or neely did.

now young tkachuk, who i saw a lot of when he was in winnipeg, that was a classic power forward. hit everything that moved and hit to hurt, dropped the gloves, and put the puck in the net. nasty nasty player who made his presence felt every time he was on the ice.
"classic power forward" is an excellent way of describing someone who ticks all those boxes, but I still think the core of the term involves crease-crashing and board-battling (the latter is where guys like Kerr and Andreychuk don't quite line up)

I guess the issue I have is that if one was to get the idea that (Offensive Skill) + (Physical Intimidation) = (Power Forward), and then take it that Clark was the same sort of player as a guy like Tkachuk or Leclair, you'd completely miss what it was like to see Clark weave through the neutral zone and fire off one of those wrist shots.

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Could either one of them take a toll on a player's body with their physical play? I don't think so. Fleury and Verbeek both threw their body and did it well, but they were just too small in the NHL landscape to be what I consider a power forward label

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They're considered "elite grinders" in my book.

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'Shift disturbers' with really good talent.

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Very skilled players & effective Agitators. Drive Byes' and or In Your Face types but "Power Forwards"?. Dont think so.

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"classic power forward" is an excellent way of describing someone who ticks all those boxes, but I still think the core of the term involves crease-crashing and board-battling (the latter is where guys like Kerr and Andreychuk don't quite line up)

I guess the issue I have is that if one was to get the idea that (Offensive Skill) + (Physical Intimidation) = (Power Forward), and then take it that Clark was the same sort of player as a guy like Tkachuk or Leclair, you'd completely miss what it was like to see Clark weave through the neutral zone and fire off one of those wrist shots.
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They're considered "elite grinders" in my book.
A power forward is a big, strong forward who is capable of dominating the game with his offensive presence and his physical game.

Verbeek and Fleury don't fit that definition. Clark didn't for most of his career, either.

Clark is so overrated in this thread it's sickening to read; he was a bottom-six goon with a good shot, so he was given time in the top six. Clark scored 46 goals and 76 points playing with Gilmour in 93-94. He scored 60 one other time, and never outside of that cleared 50. You know who posted similar numbers in a much lower scoring period? Eric Daze. If Clark is one of the best power forwards ever, why isn't Daze? Daze certainly had less to work with.

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Too small. More like 'scoring agitator forward' or something like that.

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